The first handheld to use PlaytronOS is some Web3 thing - the SuiPlay0x1

The point of NFT is that you can sell it to someone else, when you do not want to play anymore, or when you gain a better one.

Which can be completly implemented without NFTs if the game publisher wants, and can be completly blocked by the publisher if he wants even when using NFTs.

So where is the necessity for NFTs again?

Sure, but that's limited to one store/platform. You can't leave the store with that item and you can only find a buyer in that same store. If you put that in real world context, you wouldn't consider that owning something. Buying non-NFT digital items is illusion of owning these items.

NFTs enable securely buy/sell your items on secondary markets without an intermediate, the blockchain is just a permissionless distributed database. Steam is against this because they don't want the items traded on secondary markets, they want you be vendor-locked to their platform.

I don’t know what Sui, Web3 or Playtron are, but I like how the shoulder buttons seem to be labelled to be readable by people not using the device.

Just like the tops of seemingly all laptops in the world - to my never-ending irritation.

Ah, that one makes sense to me since you can't be looking at the top of a laptop while using it (plus there's no need to since it's just a brand logo).

I'm using a laptop for some years now (not too many though), and I still expect it to open for me when the logo is turned correctly, not when it's on it's head... :)

For me it doesn't normally matter, but if I buy a cool laptop, like say one from System76 or something, I want passersby to see the logo right way up so they can bask in the coolness.

Apple tried the 'user-facing' logo for a while in the late 90s, & were universally ridiculed for it:
!Woz with G3 Mac laptop

https://web.archive.org/web/20170803142512/http://kensegall.com:80/2011/12/apples-upside-down-thinking/

You can't leave the store with that item and you can only find a buyer in that same store. If you put that in real world context, you wouldn't consider that owning something. Buying non-NFT digital items is illusion of owning these items.

So is buying NFT digital items. If NFTs worked as advertised it would be real ownership, but they don't so it isn't.

for those who still believe in NFT, watch that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

Seriously, watch that.


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 11 Apr 2024 at 10:08 pm UTC

lol at the renders.

Has there ever been a NFT/blockchain game thats gameplay first?
Epic Games store is full of this web3 asset flip trash or very bad clones of actual good games.

Don't really understand the benefits of NFT either if you can just use microtransactions (not that i like microtransactions either, but for free games its fine i guess) that are way easier for end user to use, rather than creating random wallets and going through multiple conversion things to get something etc.

This looks like its gonna fail big.

Many won't understand NFTs until Steam removes trading cards (their ToS allows them to do it). People need to lose something before they start looking for alternative solutions. I am sometimes surprised how slow this process is, even when free-to-play online servers get closed left and right and people losing everything they spent on micro-transactions.

Fun fact, Valve's flop Artifact still has trading cards, but none of them load because the images are only on Steam servers. Images of properly done NFTs are stored on IPFS (torrent like filesystem accessible via web gateways).

Investors.

I think now's probably a good time to remind people of the Phantom console and the Gametrac/Gizmondo handheld. (For anyone who doesn't remember them, they were infamous investor-scams.)

As for "NFT haters", I think you mean "normal people". Nothing wrong with blockchain per se, but it's most commonly associated with burning the planet via proof of work, and it'll take a long time to shift perception on that.

I think it's quite fair to describe it as a solution looking for a problem, really.

Or it will be just another Ouya story. Things will go silent and then plans will be discontinued 😅

Well, there is at least one certain immortal who still uses an Ouya...

Apple tried the 'user-facing' logo for a while in the late 90s, & were universally ridiculed for it:
!Woz with G3 Mac laptop

https://web.archive.org/web/20170803142512/http://kensegall.com:80/2011/12/apples-upside-down-thinking/

I agree with this:

Remember, Steve was the guy who put the customer experience first. In the end, that was the reason he ended making the decision he did. He thought that the most important person in the equation was the one who shelled out good money to buy the product in the first place.

I also don't want to wear clothes that show others with large signs who made the clothes. At least not as long as nobody pays me for it. (And still not if somebody offers to.)

Many won't understand NFTs until Steam removes trading cards (their ToS allows them to do it).

Ok, let's play through this: Steam removes trading cards. You've got a signature somewhere in a blockchain that one of many million of those cards is yours. What now? I sure won't buy it from you, because... what would it do for me? I can't show it in my profile, I can't make a set, I cannot do anything with it! Neither can you. So... what?


Last edited by Eike on 12 Apr 2024 at 11:59 am UTC

I don't care about this blockchain integration stuff for some new coin on the market that i don't know and therefore don't trust.
BUT this hardware looks weird and i hope they will go back to the drawing board and choose something better.

lol at the renders.

Has there ever been a NFT/blockchain game thats gameplay first?
Epic Games store is full of this web3 asset flip trash or very bad clones of actual good games.

Don't really understand the benefits of NFT either if you can just use microtransactions (not that i like microtransactions either, but for free games its fine i guess) that are way easier for end user to use, rather than creating random wallets and going through multiple conversion things to get something etc.

This looks like its gonna fail big.

Many won't understand NFTs until Steam removes trading cards (their ToS allows them to do it). People need to lose something before they start looking for alternative solutions. I am sometimes surprised how slow this process is, even when free-to-play online servers get closed left and right and people losing everything they spent on micro-transactions.

Fun fact, Valve's flop Artifact still has trading cards, but none of them load because the images are only on Steam servers. Images of properly done NFTs are stored on IPFS (torrent like filesystem accessible via web gateways).

What good is a trading card NFT if the service that these cards were made for no longer exists / blocks the NFTs?

If I buy microtransactions in a game and the game is no longer playable I can't just go into any other game and start using my items there. Even if other games would start accepting any NFT item that I would own, apart from the technical issues it would be also game breakingingly unbalanced.


Last edited by Beaky on 12 Apr 2024 at 9:08 am UTC

lol at the renders.

Has there ever been a NFT/blockchain game thats gameplay first?
Epic Games store is full of this web3 asset flip trash or very bad clones of actual good games.

Don't really understand the benefits of NFT either if you can just use microtransactions (not that i like microtransactions either, but for free games its fine i guess) that are way easier for end user to use, rather than creating random wallets and going through multiple conversion things to get something etc.

This looks like its gonna fail big.

Many won't understand NFTs until Steam removes trading cards (their ToS allows them to do it). People need to lose something before they start looking for alternative solutions. I am sometimes surprised how slow this process is, even when free-to-play online servers get closed left and right and people losing everything they spent on micro-transactions.

Fun fact, Valve's flop Artifact still has trading cards, but none of them load because the images are only on Steam servers. Images of properly done NFTs are stored on IPFS (torrent like filesystem accessible via web gateways).

Just like the countless NFTs that had their image links have long expired... Lmfao.

Literally all NFTs are doing is to store a link to an image on somewhere... that may not keep working forever.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/25/22349242/nft-metadata-explained-art-crypto-urls-links-ipfs

http://web.archive.org/web/20230620174607/https://twitter.com/0xkofi/status/1664556455515635713

I love it when cryptobros shill their so called "improvement" when it actually doesn't solve anything *at best*.

Btw friendly reminder that Playtron blatantly stole someone else's Witcher 3 video.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/comments/1bifzvj/playtron_stole_ignorantslave663s_witcher_3_video/

So basically company who has no problems with stealing others' contents uses "technologies" which has stealing from other artists as its main use. Why is this not surprising at all? :V

Thank god people are falling less for their buzzword soups nowadays. Anytime someone uses terminologies like "blockchain", "web3", "nft" and such should be considered a huge red flag.

They had a bit of a meltdown at me on X/Twitter of my poking on this...not a good look.

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778464518529491068

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778465526978629866

They had a bit of a meltdown at me on X/Twitter of my poking on this...not a good look.

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778464518529491068

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778465526978629866

Classic cryptobro mentality. They always look over people like this (or with sayings like "not gonna make it", "have fun staying poor" and such). That's because they don't want to improve anything, all they want is to BE the rulers of this "brave new world of web3 and crypto".

And of course scam people, but come on, that's quite obvious. :V

In all fairness, though, nft syntax is quite a bit more readable compared to iptables.

The documentation is also helpful: https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Netfilter_hooks

!nftables hooks





... unless ... oh, never mind.

They had a bit of a meltdown at me on X/Twitter of my poking on this...not a good look.

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778464518529491068

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778465526978629866

LOLOLOLOL

I love it so much Makes my cold dark heart warm up a bit when con artists get all ruffled when people start to question things.

Also I love how they're dropping in comparisons to Apple Pay and PayPal. Two gigantic industry titans who **GASP** have an actual product that isn't a scam, which people use daily around the globe.

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778464518529491068

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778465526978629866

Sadly, thanks to enshittification of TPFKAT (the plattform formerly known as Twitter), without an account I can only see those two posts and not the whole thread.
Would you kindly share it as copy+paste, screenshot or something?

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778464518529491068

https://twitter.com/PLAYTR0N/status/1778465526978629866

Sadly, thanks to enshittification of TPFKAT (the plattform formerly known as Twitter), without an account I can only see those two posts and not the whole thread.
Would you kindly share it as copy+paste, screenshot or something?

I had the same experience trying to follow back through the sewers of twitter - but at some point we have to just give up, the raw shit just isn't worth wading through anymore. So many diseases.

NFTs enable securely buy/sell your items on secondary markets without an intermediate, the blockchain is just a permissionless distributed database. Steam is against this because they don't want the items traded on secondary markets, they want you be vendor-locked to their platform.

This is where I tend to get lost when I try to connect theory to practice. In theory, it sounds great. In practice…what secondary markets exist between games? If I buy some ultra-deluxe Pokéball in Pokémon: Crypto & Currency edition, I can't exactly use it in Call of Duty, nor can I take a sniper rifle into Stardew Valley. I can certainly imagine horrible cash-grab cross-overs where you buy like a skin in one game and another game allows you to use it there, but that's quite superficial, and merely requires coordination and cooperation between the games involved, not a blockchain per se.

But OK, maybe instead of items in games we could buy and sell games themselves. It certainly sounds like an appealing idea. But how would it actually work? As a permissionless database, everything in it is public, and anything traded on it can be seen by anyone. You could trade some sort of "token" that you now "own" a particular game, but…what does that mean? You still need to download it from somewhere server somewhere in such a way that everyone else on the blockchain can't just download it as well (so you can't have the token include any sort of "key"), which means we're back to some sort of centralized database monitoring who "owns" each game to be able to dole them out (and of course, the games would require some sort of DRM to make sure you couldn't just keep playing them after you've sold them!). And if you have such a centralized database already, you don't need to add a blockchain onto it, you could just have that database (or multiple centralized databases with a hand-off mechanism).

I agree that Valve would like you to stay in their ecosystem for economic reasons, but if Valve and Epic Games suddenly both decided one day that they'd like people to be able to sell games between their platforms they could do it without any blockchain technology.

Timely video about NFT/crypto/Web 3.0-gaming from the excellent Jauwn, who covers these things from the perspective of an actual gamer.

Timely video about NFT/crypto/Web 3.0-gaming from the excellent Jauwn, who covers these things from the perspective of an actual gamer.

Jesus. That's an eye opener.