World of Goo 2 is out now with Native Linux support

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I sadly had to switch to Lightworks because both the Arch Linux package and the Flatpak are broken.

But I'm pretty happy with Lightworks. I just bought my lifetime Pro License and everything, so now seems like a good time to switch.

As for World of Goo...still need to play the first one.

Quoting: pleasereadthemanual

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I sadly had to switch to Lightworks because both the Arch Linux package and the Flatpak are broken.

But I'm pretty happy with Lightworks. I just bought my lifetime Pro License and everything, so now seems like a good time to switch.

I once tried to install it and the list of dependencies was so long that I left it. Now I edit my incidental video with Shotcut.

Who tries it before I buys it? ;)

Quoting: EikeWho tries it before I buys it? ;)

I bought it, the Linux version is an AppImage and it works perfectly. Purchase goes through the Humble Store which is convenient.

The game itself feels very familiar, in a good way, same gameplay but there are some interesting new species of Goo. It feels more difficult than I remember the first one being but levels are skippable if you just want to push ahead.


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Quoting: poke86

Quoting: EikeWho tries it before I buys it? ;)

I bought it, the Linux version is an AppImage and it works perfectly. Purchase goes through the Humble Store which is convenient.

The game itself feels very familiar, in a good way, same gameplay but there are some interesting new species of Goo. It feels more difficult than I remember the first one being but levels are skippable if you just want to push ahead.

Cool!

I remember the first one as difficult enough already. Besides that, all I remember is having lots of fun, so even no new stuff would probably be enough for me. :)

Quoting: poke86the Linux version is an AppImage and

it does not work out-of-the-box on Gentoo, because the AppImage does not contain all dependencies - the one thing that the AppImage format promises to solve.

So, what does one need to get the game to run on Gentoo?
The AppImage would need the outdated sys-fs/fuse version (slot 2 - luckily it can be installed at the same time as the up-to-date version). However, installing that will just lead to a different error message, this time about libcurl-gnutls, which is not bundled in the AppImage, though it should be.

In order to get the game to run, I had to first unpack the appimage (there is a command line switch for that), and then create a symlink in the game folder from libcurl-gnutls.so.i-forgot-the-version to /usr/lib64/libcurl.so.that-same-version. Then, launching the game with LD_LIBRARY_PATH="./" set (so that it finds the symlinked lib) finally gets it to run.

My conclusion from this is that AppImage does not make the dependency situation better. If at all, it makes it more annoying.

Quoting: soulsourceMy conclusion from this is that AppImage does not make the dependency situation better. If at all, it makes it more annoying.

Yes! And adding an addition layer of obfuscation adds an additional step when fixing things.

Quoting: soulsourceit does not work out-of-the-box on Gentoo, because the AppImage does not contain all dependencies - the one thing that the AppImage format promises to solve.

To be fair, that's "unclean build environment" rather than an Appimage issue per se - they could have included all the libraries they needed, but didn't. Still an annoying end result, either way.

Personally, I'll be waiting till it comes to Steam.

Quoting: soulsourceit does not work out-of-the-box on Gentoo, because the AppImage does not contain all dependencies

Have you reached out to the devs about this? They should fix this.


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Quoting: soulsource

Quoting: poke86the Linux version is an AppImage and

it does not work out-of-the-box on Gentoo, because the AppImage does not contain all dependencies - the one thing that the AppImage format promises to solve.

So, what does one need to get the game to run on Gentoo?
The AppImage would need the outdated sys-fs/fuse version (slot 2 - luckily it can be installed at the same time as the up-to-date version). However, installing that will just lead to a different error message, this time about libcurl-gnutls, which is not bundled in the AppImage, though it should be.

In order to get the game to run, I had to first unpack the appimage (there is a command line switch for that), and then create a symlink in the game folder from libcurl-gnutls.so.i-forgot-the-version to /usr/lib64/libcurl.so.that-same-version. Then, launching the game with LD_LIBRARY_PATH="./" set (so that it finds the symlinked lib) finally gets it to run.

My conclusion from this is that AppImage does not make the dependency situation better. If at all, it makes it more annoying.

Considering it also comes with the Windows version, it probably would've been easier for you to just run it through Wine (I'm joking. Don't recompile me).

Is it Vulkan or OpenGL?

Quoting: lqe5433Is it Vulkan or OpenGL?

I need to check to be sure (am at work...), but on my laptop, which does not have Vulkan set up, it crashes on launch when it tries to render something. That might, however, also be a Box64 issue, as my laptop is ARM-based.

Quoting: poke86

Quoting: soulsourceit does not work out-of-the-box on Gentoo, because the AppImage does not contain all dependencies

Have you reached out to the devs about this? They should fix this.

Not yet. I need to check if they have a proper bug-report form or something... (I only downloaded it yesterday and didn't even play - just tried to launch it.)

Also, I don't think the World of Goo devs can do much about the libfuse dependency. That's a dependency problem introduced directly by AppImage and can only be fixed by the AppImage devs.

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanual

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I sadly had to switch to Lightworks because both the Arch Linux package and the Flatpak are broken.

But I'm pretty happy with Lightworks. I just bought my lifetime Pro License and everything, so now seems like a good time to switch.

I once tried to install it and the list of dependencies was so long that I left it. Now I edit my incidental video with Shotcut.

If you were concerned about how that might impact your system, you could always try an unofficial Flatpak which encapsulates all the dependencies: https://github.com/kekkoudesu/lightworks-flatpak

LWKS introduced a Flatpak for the beta one month ago, and they'll have a Flatpak for the next stable release.

If you just don't like having a lot of dependencies on your system, well... I use far too much software for that to bother me.

I do editing fairly often with a specific workflow, so I need something a little more advanced than Shotcut. I'd be using DaVinci Resolve, but the Linux version is lacking, so Lightworks or Kdenlive are the next best thing. I used Cinelerra-GG for some time, and while I do have a fondness for its quirks, the workflow is inefficient, it's unoptimized, it's not color accurate, and the proxies are...kind of weird. Blender is quirky and inefficient too but the project management is the worst part about it. Not a big fan. Pitivi crashed when I imported 4K footage.

Both Flowbade and Shotcut I've tried but quickly gave up on for whatever reason. I don't remember much about them. I never tried OpenShot because I was and remain biased against the interface.

Olive was fine but I found it less efficient than Kdenlive and the fade effect was broken.

I'm kind of excited about Lumiera, if that thing ever gets an actual release

I've done some chain edits with ffmpeg filtergraphs but that workflow is only efficient for a specific kind of project. Also, I don't know if my mind is prepared to perform that sort of black magic again any time soon.

Ultimately, it's between Lightworks and Kdenlive. Lightworks is quirky too and the fades kind of suck, but the color controls are much much better and the timeline navigation is so quick. Kdenlive has a native Wayland version, though, which means it's not blurry on GNOME like Lightworks. But Lightworks might be working on a Wayland version soon...

Quoting: soulsourceAlso, I don't think the World of Goo devs can do much about the libfuse dependency. That's a dependency problem introduced directly by AppImage and can only be fixed by the AppImage devs.

I'm not very familiar with AppImage, but I remember something about them being stuck on an old libfuse version because they need to support older distributions, but this causes problems for newer distributions which have a newer version of fuse. Found the page: https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/FUSE

How are Flatpaks on Gentoo?

So, I just tried it on my Steam Deck and got a missing libraries error, specifically libcurl-gnutls.so.4. On my desktop, running Manjaro, it started right up with no problem.

Quoting: soulsource

Quoting: poke86the Linux version is an AppImage and

My conclusion from this is that AppImage does not make the dependency situation better. If at all, it makes it more annoying.

the only conclusion you can take from that is tha flatpak is a lot more distro independent than appimage and gentoo is annoying

Is it coming to Steam at a later date? All these dependency issues (even on Steam Deck!?) put me off. As does the connection to Epic Games, but that's another story, I suppose.

Quoting: scaineIs it coming to Steam at a later date?

They don't really have the pull of a Minecraft or a Tarkov to get loads of sales directly from their website. Selling through the Epic Store isn't going to get them a lot of sales, either. So... sensibly... they should sell it through Steam once they've worked off their obligations to Epic. But who knows for sure?

They don't have a Steam page for it currently, so I can't wishlist it there, so I'm only going to find out when it releases on Steam if Liam happens to notice and mention it.

Quoting: poke86

Quoting: EikeWho tries it before I buys it? ;)

I bought it, the Linux version is an AppImage and it works perfectly. Purchase goes through the Humble Store which is convenient.

After reading this (and before the problem reports were posted), I bought the game, and it runs ootb on my Debian Stable. Looking forward!

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Quoting: soulsource

Quoting: poke86the Linux version is an AppImage and

My conclusion from this is that AppImage does not make the dependency situation better. If at all, it makes it more annoying.

the only conclusion you can take from that is tha flatpak is a lot more distro independent than appimage and gentoo is annoying

Yeah, Gentoo is so annoying, it even manages to cause the same issue with libcurl on Steam OS.

Quoting: melkemindSo, I just tried it on my Steam Deck and got a missing libraries error, specifically libcurl-gnutls.so.4. On my desktop, running Manjaro, it started right up with no problem.