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Remember Splot? The little platformer that was part of a certain Humble Bundle that promised cross-platform support, and future keys to anyone who purchased it? Well they announced the release with no mention of Linux, and now we know why. Previously, in that link above they tweeted to us saying they have no clear estimate as to when it will come to Linux, but it's more unclear now.
A reddit user got a reply from Frozenbyte on it:
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It always shocks me when a developer promises a platform they don't check they can actually support. They've had over three years (Frozenbyte's Humble Bundle was in April 2011) to get this sorted, so colour me in unimpressed paint by this.
There you have it folks, Splot is turning into our very own Duke Nukem Forever, will it ever come to Linux? Who knows, Splot Forever.
It does get tiring to see more developers claiming Linux support, to then not be able to deliver on it. It's hard not to blame Frozenbyte here after more than three years, I can't find a reason to be optimistic about this no matter how hard I try.
I've tried looking around to find hints if this "Marmalade" software will come to Linux, but no joy.
To echo my statements from the Insurgency article:
We say it a lot, but never, ever, buy a game on a promise. Buy a game once the Linux version is out, or risk being burnt.
While this wasn't a purchase just for Splot, as it was part of a bundle, it's still worth remembering for future purchases. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
Remember Splot? The little platformer that was part of a certain Humble Bundle that promised cross-platform support, and future keys to anyone who purchased it? Well they announced the release with no mention of Linux, and now we know why. Previously, in that link above they tweeted to us saying they have no clear estimate as to when it will come to Linux, but it's more unclear now.
A reddit user got a reply from Frozenbyte on it:
QuoteHi Sebastian, we don't unfortunately have an estimate for the Mac and Linux versions. The Linux version is especially dependent on support from Marmalade, the platform used to develop Splot on. We can't make the Linux version until they support it.
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It always shocks me when a developer promises a platform they don't check they can actually support. They've had over three years (Frozenbyte's Humble Bundle was in April 2011) to get this sorted, so colour me in unimpressed paint by this.
There you have it folks, Splot is turning into our very own Duke Nukem Forever, will it ever come to Linux? Who knows, Splot Forever.
It does get tiring to see more developers claiming Linux support, to then not be able to deliver on it. It's hard not to blame Frozenbyte here after more than three years, I can't find a reason to be optimistic about this no matter how hard I try.
I've tried looking around to find hints if this "Marmalade" software will come to Linux, but no joy.
To echo my statements from the Insurgency article:
We say it a lot, but never, ever, buy a game on a promise. Buy a game once the Linux version is out, or risk being burnt.
While this wasn't a purchase just for Splot, as it was part of a bundle, it's still worth remembering for future purchases. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Wait… it's taking years, it was part of the humble bundle with linux mentionned, and now "oh… we used something that isn't supported on linux, not our fault"
Really? oO
Wait… it's taking years, it was part of the humble bundle with linux mentionned, and now "oh… we used something that isn't supported on linux, not our fault"
Really? oO
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Yeah, I paid for this in 2011 when they promised Linux support. What a shame...
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this guys are kidding me right? 3 years and they now say its not their fault for not doing their homework???
do it with another game engine like Löve. you have no excuse...
do it with another game engine like Löve. you have no excuse...
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Cyba.Cowboy 10 Nov 2014
Can anyone say "incompetent" (in reference to the developers, of course)?
And it's articles like this that prevent me from buying anything until support for Linux-based operating systems is actually offered (well, articles like this and my "Rebuild" experience below)... 50% of the time the developers just don't do their research (as this article implies, it's surprisingly common practice amongst even the most professional developers!), 25% of the time developers are making a cash-grab with no real intention of supporting Linux-based operating systems and 25% of the time developers take a "we'll get to it, eventually" approach, citing the small marketshare.
Take Plague: Evolved for example - they promised support for Linux-based operating systems at launch... Then it became "soon after launch"... Now it's "eventually".
Then there's Sarah Northway and her "Rebuild" franchise - Rebuild 3: Gangs of Deadsville was supposedly going to have support for Linux-based operating systems at launch... Only for Sarah to do a "Woops, Adobe Air no longer supports Linux-based operating systems!"
I foolishly bought Rebuild 3: Gangs of Deadsville prior to its launch, taking Sarah on her words... Only to discover the hard way that I should have waited.
And it's articles like this that prevent me from buying anything until support for Linux-based operating systems is actually offered (well, articles like this and my "Rebuild" experience below)... 50% of the time the developers just don't do their research (as this article implies, it's surprisingly common practice amongst even the most professional developers!), 25% of the time developers are making a cash-grab with no real intention of supporting Linux-based operating systems and 25% of the time developers take a "we'll get to it, eventually" approach, citing the small marketshare.
Take Plague: Evolved for example - they promised support for Linux-based operating systems at launch... Then it became "soon after launch"... Now it's "eventually".
Then there's Sarah Northway and her "Rebuild" franchise - Rebuild 3: Gangs of Deadsville was supposedly going to have support for Linux-based operating systems at launch... Only for Sarah to do a "Woops, Adobe Air no longer supports Linux-based operating systems!"
I foolishly bought Rebuild 3: Gangs of Deadsville prior to its launch, taking Sarah on her words... Only to discover the hard way that I should have waited.
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We're also still waiting on Giana Sisters. It's supposed to come this year; they've got two more months left.
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Well, I can still definitely say that I got my money's worth when I purchased the Humble Frozenbyte Bundle for Trine and Shadowgrounds alone, but this is still rather disappointing.
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Maybe this Marmalade? ( Edit: yes, this is the engine as splot is listed there as one of the games of the month )
https://www.madewithmarmalade.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmalade_%28software%29
And more edit: Here the list of supported Platforms:
https://www.madewithmarmalade.com/marmalade/supported-platforms
https://www.madewithmarmalade.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmalade_%28software%29
And more edit: Here the list of supported Platforms:
https://www.madewithmarmalade.com/marmalade/supported-platforms
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Avehicle7887 10 Nov 2014
Doesn't seem like a friendly company to me, they write such comments as "Native Performance, Any device" or even worse "Marmalade supports all open native operating systems" without mentioning Linux anywhere and I'm pretty sure they're aware of the rising Linux popularity in gaming.
As for Frozenbyte, I've always viewed the company as a strong contributor to Linux games, I appreciate their work in porting their games but this is outright disappointing to me. They knew Marmalade didn't support Linux and yet they still dug their head in the sand and didn't care about their Linux fans and they had 3 years to think about this.
As for Frozenbyte, I've always viewed the company as a strong contributor to Linux games, I appreciate their work in porting their games but this is outright disappointing to me. They knew Marmalade didn't support Linux and yet they still dug their head in the sand and didn't care about their Linux fans and they had 3 years to think about this.
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Cyba.Cowboy 10 Nov 2014
They knew Marmalade didn't support Linux and yet they still dug their head in the sand and didn't care about their Linux fans and they had 3 years to think about this.
They assumed it supported Linux-based operating systems, and we know what they say about assumptions...
View video on youtube.com
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There's a linux petition on Marmalade's website which could use a few more signatures.
https://answers.madewithmarmalade.com/questions/18263/petition-linux-support.html
https://answers.madewithmarmalade.com/questions/18263/petition-linux-support.html
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We have way too many of these articles these days. I guess we can't blame ourselves for this one since linux gamers were pretty naive still in 2011. :p
We need to establish the first two rules of linux gaming:
Rule 1: You do not buy games before the linux version is out.
Rule 2: You do not buy games before the linux version is out.
That way if we get another one of these articles, we can call out people on not respecting rules 1 and 2. :p
We need to establish the first two rules of linux gaming:
Rule 1: You do not buy games before the linux version is out.
Rule 2: You do not buy games before the linux version is out.
That way if we get another one of these articles, we can call out people on not respecting rules 1 and 2. :p
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AsavarTzeth 10 Nov 2014
I have added a Controversy section on the Wikipedia page, citing 22cans and their Project Godus, which also uses Marmalade, despite reaching the Linux stretch goal.
If anyone so wishes, feel free to complement this or otherwise improve this. If you find a good reference or have more information than myself regarding Splot, The Humble Weekly Sale, and Linux support please fill it in as a second example.
If anyone so wishes, feel free to complement this or otherwise improve this. If you find a good reference or have more information than myself regarding Splot, The Humble Weekly Sale, and Linux support please fill it in as a second example.
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The fact is that because Valve want a lot of games on Linux before the release of Steam Machines, games that promise a Linux version have a greater chance of being Greenlighted on Steam and so some developers may announce a Linux version and forget about it once they are Greenlighted. Some developers might also do it because it's a way to make bloggers talk about the game.
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I have added a Controversy section on the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmalade_(software)" target="_blank">Wikipedia page</a>, citing 22cans and their Project Godus, which also uses Marmalade, despite reaching the Linux stretch goal.There is a problem with your [11] note (just after the word "unclear").
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And it's articles like this that prevent me from buying anything until support for Linux-based operating systems is actually offeredYou're saying this like it's a bad thing... Why the hell *would* you buy anything that doesn't support your operating system??
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Cyba.Cowboy 11 Nov 2014
And it's articles like this that prevent me from buying anything until support for Linux-based operating systems is actually offeredYou're saying this like it's a bad thing... Why the hell *would* you buy anything that doesn't support your operating system??
Some games promise support for Linux-based operating systems... Only to fail to deliver (as is the case here).
That was my point - just like the author, I recommend users don't buy games that "promise" support for Linux-based operating systems, until the games actually materialize for Linux-based operating systems.
I learnt that the hard way, hopefully others do not.
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AsavarTzeth 12 Nov 2014
I have added a Controversy section on the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmalade_(software)" target="_blank">Wikipedia page</a>, citing 22cans and their Project Godus, which also uses Marmalade, despite reaching the Linux stretch goal.There is a problem with your [11] note (just after the word "unclear";).
That is actually not my doing, as far as I know. In any case I will fix it. Btw thanks to the one who put Splot in there, perfectly formatted.
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JSVRamirez 12 Nov 2014
Btw thanks to the one who put Splot in there, perfectly formatted.
Oops, sorry... I obviously wasn't checking my formatting as well as I should have been... I went on a bit of a rampage and added similar sections to a few pages where Linux support was promised for Marmalade games and maybe I was a little cavalier with the proof-reading.
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AsavarTzeth 15 Nov 2014
Btw thanks to the one who put Splot in there, perfectly formatted.Oops, sorry... I obviously wasn't checking my formatting as well as I should have been... I went on a bit of a rampage and added similar sections to a few pages where Linux support was promised for Marmalade games and maybe I was a little cavalier with the proof-reading.
No problem, I fixed it. What you forgot was "title=...". I also added the accessdate property, which is a best practice. Otherwise if there is a conflicting change it would be hard for you to claim anything.
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