Gabe Newell from Valve was quite right to fear about the future when he starting talking up Linux, and now it looks like Microsoft will be trying to push their own store even more.
Microsoft are moving to combine Windows 10 and Xbox One into one platform, and with that the Windows Store will become a bigger thing for them. This is something Gabe Newell of Valve feared, and it looks like it really is starting to become true. While there's nothing wrong with having universal games that work on W10 and XBone, making sure developers have to stick to their store is a problem.
The problem here, is that Microsoft are using their money and their exclusivity deals to keep certain games only on the Windows Store which locks out Steam in the process. There may not be too many doing it yet, but you can be sure over time Microsoft will sign more of these Windows 10 exclusive deals like they have with Quantum Break. Ars actually put it quite well in their article here:
Steam isn't exactly a picture of freedom, but it is available on the three major operating systems. It's free to sign up for and use with no monthly fee needed. Developers can have their game on Steam as well as any other store. You get to buy once and play on any platform where the game is supported, and so on. Steam in these cases is the lesser of two evils.
Is history about to repeat itself with Games For Windows Live version 2? I doubt it, since the Windows Store is tied in with Windows 10 and with their universal apps it might actually be a success, which again, is trouble for Valve.
I can't imagine Windows Store games selling very well at all, but I'm sure Microsoft will find a way to make it look like it is.
As for me, I'm happy with Ubuntu on my desktop and SteamOS on my Steam Machine for my couch gaming. I personally dual boot with Windows 10, but I won't ever touch the Windows Store. Why would I want to lock myself in like that? I hope others feel the same.
How do you feel about all this? Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
Microsoft are moving to combine Windows 10 and Xbox One into one platform, and with that the Windows Store will become a bigger thing for them. This is something Gabe Newell of Valve feared, and it looks like it really is starting to become true. While there's nothing wrong with having universal games that work on W10 and XBone, making sure developers have to stick to their store is a problem.
The problem here, is that Microsoft are using their money and their exclusivity deals to keep certain games only on the Windows Store which locks out Steam in the process. There may not be too many doing it yet, but you can be sure over time Microsoft will sign more of these Windows 10 exclusive deals like they have with Quantum Break. Ars actually put it quite well in their article here:
QuoteUnfortunately for Spencer, not only has the PC as gaming platform seen little improvement from Microsoft—bar DirectX 12—but the company's one-platform-fits-all approach simply isn't going to fly on PC. The PC community has its own rules and expectations. Forcing console-like restrictions on a group that values freedom was never going to end well. And now, with those people backed into a corner with Quantum Break—one of this year's most highly anticipated games—the backlash is only going to get bigger.
Steam isn't exactly a picture of freedom, but it is available on the three major operating systems. It's free to sign up for and use with no monthly fee needed. Developers can have their game on Steam as well as any other store. You get to buy once and play on any platform where the game is supported, and so on. Steam in these cases is the lesser of two evils.
Is history about to repeat itself with Games For Windows Live version 2? I doubt it, since the Windows Store is tied in with Windows 10 and with their universal apps it might actually be a success, which again, is trouble for Valve.
I can't imagine Windows Store games selling very well at all, but I'm sure Microsoft will find a way to make it look like it is.
As for me, I'm happy with Ubuntu on my desktop and SteamOS on my Steam Machine for my couch gaming. I personally dual boot with Windows 10, but I won't ever touch the Windows Store. Why would I want to lock myself in like that? I hope others feel the same.
How do you feel about all this? Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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How do you feel about all this?I don't use Windows so I don't care. I don't understand why ANYONE would want to move from something less restrictive like Steam or GOG, to something that is absurdly locked down like this.
Here is hoping that the developers and publishers push back from this, and stick to existing channels... And Valve needs to push Linux a little more. Taking months at a time to port a single game for another company (Rocket League) does not bode well.
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BabaoWhisky 1 Mar 2016
There are no reason to worry about developper/games which will cross-platform with a Linux version already planned.
I doubt too indies developpers will go only to Windows Store.
EA and Ubisoft have already their own launcher/store so i doubt they will use *only* the WS.
I'm not afraid about this.
I doubt too indies developpers will go only to Windows Store.
EA and Ubisoft have already their own launcher/store so i doubt they will use *only* the WS.
I'm not afraid about this.
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Well things are getting both scary and interesting as Microsoft make its moves.
Using that Gandhi saying linux users usually use:
1) First they ignore you
2) Then they laugh at you
3) then they fight you
4) then you win.
We're entering the war part boys and it's going to be ugly.
What concerns me is that this speed things up and as I said before I believe our platform will need more time to be ready (I'd say 1,5 year). With Microsoft pushing their software store this hard, forcing ppl to switch to windows10 AND stimulating Dev's to make their games on their store to have XBONE/PC compatibility the pressure on Valve is going to skyrocket.
On the other hand, it seems that we can ALWAYS count on Microsoft to do work for us... Their early Microsoft Store feedback is pretty much TERRIBLE, maybe there's something to do with all the retarded limitations they're imposing. What to say? Microsoft being microsoft, in the end, can make it fall.
I'd enjoy that irony very very much.
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Using that Gandhi saying linux users usually use:
1) First they ignore you
2) Then they laugh at you
3) then they fight you
4) then you win.
We're entering the war part boys and it's going to be ugly.
What concerns me is that this speed things up and as I said before I believe our platform will need more time to be ready (I'd say 1,5 year). With Microsoft pushing their software store this hard, forcing ppl to switch to windows10 AND stimulating Dev's to make their games on their store to have XBONE/PC compatibility the pressure on Valve is going to skyrocket.
On the other hand, it seems that we can ALWAYS count on Microsoft to do work for us... Their early Microsoft Store feedback is pretty much TERRIBLE, maybe there's something to do with all the retarded limitations they're imposing. What to say? Microsoft being microsoft, in the end, can make it fall.
I'd enjoy that irony very very much.
Last edited by amonobeax on 1 Mar 2016 at 10:26 pm UTC
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I think the typical PC games isn't happy about that announcement. I mean it means a few additional titles which would otherwise would be XB-One exclusives. On the downside they lose a lot of freedom.
Console gamers will look very much forward to it. For them it's only good news since they are locked in anyway and MS promises better backward compatibility and more as a result..
My hope here is also that Valve adds up a notch in getting AAA titles to SteamOS. Let's see.
Console gamers will look very much forward to it. For them it's only good news since they are locked in anyway and MS promises better backward compatibility and more as a result..
My hope here is also that Valve adds up a notch in getting AAA titles to SteamOS. Let's see.
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This is a good thing for non linux users to think about as well as developers and publishers. What it means for them when Microsoft is trying to change the game and how valuable it is to have access to another viable platform(osx does not count) rather than allowing Microsoft to set the rules.
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Steam in these cases is the lesser of two evils
I don't see Steam as evil at all? It's a digital distribution platform - so what? It's even a platform for free software. And like it's said in the article: No exclusivity periods, it's free for the users, it's cross platform, it's proven to be a reliable service, they support Linux.
Where's the evilness?
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Only any good Halo game maybe would make me to buy games from there, and since Halo reach 2 is on the way I might take the bait if its cheap enough.
But still, thanks to this initiative is than we are finally seeing their exclusive games coming to pc, crippled by the xbox limitations (like lack of .exes to play with and to mod, as happen on xbox and mobile) but its on pc anyway, and of course they wont release it on steam, just like EA and blizzard does with their games.
And related to Quantum Break, that game was supposed to be an xbox exclusivity, so it wasn't going to come to windows at all, not at least until they decided to make it available on the windows store as well. Microsoft and Sony and Nintendo has been known for making exclusive games for their consoles, but at least microsoft is the only one trying to support windows too, I cant see this as a bad thing, remembering than they could just make their games available only on xbox one and not supporting windows at all.
But still, thanks to this initiative is than we are finally seeing their exclusive games coming to pc, crippled by the xbox limitations (like lack of .exes to play with and to mod, as happen on xbox and mobile) but its on pc anyway, and of course they wont release it on steam, just like EA and blizzard does with their games.
And related to Quantum Break, that game was supposed to be an xbox exclusivity, so it wasn't going to come to windows at all, not at least until they decided to make it available on the windows store as well. Microsoft and Sony and Nintendo has been known for making exclusive games for their consoles, but at least microsoft is the only one trying to support windows too, I cant see this as a bad thing, remembering than they could just make their games available only on xbox one and not supporting windows at all.
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Kimyrielle 1 Mar 2016
It was inevitable. Apple's success is to no small degree based on the vendor lock-in on the App Store. It allows them to control every single aspect of the market for extra profit, as they gain revenue from every single piece of software sold for their system. I am sure whenever they met for a coffee, MS executives went "Gah, why didn't we lock down our OS while we had the chance? People take that crap from Apple and every gaming console ever made, they would have taken it from Windows as well!". And since ever then they are looking for ways to move in that direction. It doesn't take a crystal ball to foresee the future of Windows, which will be just as locked down as iOS one day. Win 10 was a great step in that direction already. They took away people's control over their systems and can remote patch whatever they want now without people having a chance to decline. With Secure Boot, they technically control what OS a PC can still boot. Gabe Newell isn't a seer and doesn't need to be, he's just a guy who understands how corporate CEOs tick, because he's one of them. The "Open PC" was a fluke of history we need to be grateful for, and it happened only because IBM didn't realize that who controls the OS controls the platform's entire ecosystem. No corporation these days would do it that way again, and if the PC doesn't survive as a computing device, we will never see an open technology platform ever again either. We will have locked down computers, locked down consoles, locked down phones, locked down tablets and locked down cars. In such a world there is no need for companies like Steam and Gabe knows that.
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On the other hand, Microsoft probably is doing what it's doing for the same reason that made Valve create SteamOS which is to protect their customer base. With mobile devices growing bigger than ever and Linux maturing Windows is set to lose more and more customers every year and so Microsoft is trying to move into a different model similar to that of Apple, because otherwise it will be hard for Windows to compete if they don't lock their customers into a complete ecosystem that goes beyond just Windows.
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It was quite obvious Microsoft will move forward with their intentions about united store. Interesting however is exclusivity bits. It seems to be a direct hit aimed at Valve. I suspect that Gabe even had insider info regarding this, so that explains Valve calm behavior and not suddenly assuming Microsoft has changed their stance. Turned out, Microsoft really doesn't change their plans. What's good though that this pause in decision making and implementation has given time for Valve and vendors to make Steam Machine a reality, and slowly moving towards improving it step by step.
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Segata Sanshiro 1 Mar 2016
I can't see this going well at all. A load of coked-up people in board rooms threw around some fantasies on how to make more money, most likely involving BS buzzwords like "convergence" and "synergy" or something.
Sounds a lot like the Xbone launch or Windows Phone in general. They'll either have to go back on it like with all the Xbone crap they tried to push, or just watch it be ignored and die a slow death like Windows Phone. I'm going to go with a huge backlash followed by going back on it through some generic corporate press release. The idiocy of these clowns knows no bounds, it takes skill to slowly destroy a monopoly business.
Sounds a lot like the Xbone launch or Windows Phone in general. They'll either have to go back on it like with all the Xbone crap they tried to push, or just watch it be ignored and die a slow death like Windows Phone. I'm going to go with a huge backlash followed by going back on it through some generic corporate press release. The idiocy of these clowns knows no bounds, it takes skill to slowly destroy a monopoly business.
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On the other hand, Microsoft probably is doing what it's doing for the same reason that made Valve create SteamOS which is to protect their customer base. With mobile devices growing bigger than ever and Linux maturing Windows is set to lose more and more customers every year and so Microsoft is trying to move into a different model similar to that of Apple, because otherwise it will be hard for Windows to compete if they don't lock their customers into a complete ecosystem that goes beyond just Windows.
It worked well for them with Internet (yes, it is sarcasm). Practically it is Firefox and Internet Explorer all over again. If Valve will play their cards right, Microsoft will lose this fight - again. It's like Windows Phone has never happened.
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Steam for Linux needs Steam Broadcast urgently. This way we will be able to easily show our friends how Linux is viable for gaming.
Windows sucks :(
Windows sucks :(
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ChloeWolfieGirl 1 Mar 2016
If Microsoft let the games come to both windows store and steam then they wouldn't have backlash, but people would buy the games on the windows store because they can play the games on both there pc and xbox one, if steam machines where as popular as the xbox one this wouldn't be an issue, you just show people with steam machines ubuntu and then they get pretty much the same thing as xbox one and pc with the windows store.
If they play for exclusives now they'll get backlashes, if they wait they probably wont...
If they play for exclusives now they'll get backlashes, if they wait they probably wont...
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Using that Gandhi saying linux users usually use:We've been fighting since a very long time, believe me Microsoft never ignored Linux and they are always attempting to block it from going mainstream. They are still using FUD and corruption, that how they destroyed all their competitors back then, and that how they continue to destroy anything that stand in their way today.
1) First they ignore you
2) Then they laugh at you
3) then they fight you
4) then you win.
We're entering the war part boys and it's going to be ugly.
On the other hand, it seems that we can ALWAYS count on Microsoft to do work for us... Their early Microsoft Store feedback is pretty much TERRIBLE, maybe there's something to do with all the retarded limitations they're imposing. What to say? Microsoft being microsoft, in the end, can make it fall.Remember Windows XP viruses, Vista, Windows 8, Windows 10 privacy policy, no matter how much they screw up, they always seems to win in the end.
I'd enjoy that irony very very much.
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If Microsoft let the games come to both windows store and steam then they wouldn't have backlash, but people would buy the games on the windows store because they can play the games on both there pc and xbox one, if steam machines where as popular as the xbox one this wouldn't be an issue, you just show people with steam machines ubuntu and then they get pretty much the same thing as xbox one and pc with the windows store.
If they play for exclusives now they'll get backlashes, if they wait they probably wont...
Aaaand you can also stream games from your steambox to your ubuntu machine, or the other way around.
If I correct microsoft made some similer steps, but you can only stream games from your xbox to your pc for some stupid reason. I guess money is the reason, somehow. But I dont see why streaming xbox game to your pc would sell more consols :P
Windows 8.1 is the last windows Im getting, Im mainly on Linux now a days anyways ^^.
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GustyGhost 1 Mar 2016
This is going to be what separates the men from the boys. The weak will accept their new restrictions because they are either ignorant to the bigger picture or just don't care.
It will be the same folks who support consoles by employing the logic of "Well, I want to have access to all games!".
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It will be the same folks who support consoles by employing the logic of "Well, I want to have access to all games!".
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GustyGhost 1 Mar 2016
How do you feel about all this?I don't understand why ANYONE would want to move from something less restrictive like Steam or GOG, to something that is absurdly locked down like this.
It's worth noting that Microsoft will encourage people to use the store with deals and free "store points" just like they have done in the past. Remember when they were paying out MS points to users who signed in to and conducted searches on Bing?
There will inevitably be folks with money sitting on their MS accounts who decide "I might as well spend it anyways" < and so begins the cycle of ignorant masses getting locked into a walled ecosystem.
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The Windows store is even more restrictive than just no cross-buy. Apparently at least currently there's
* no SLI support
* Vsync is always on, g-sync/freesync doesn't work
* no overlays
* no .exe files, thus also no modding
* no overlays
* always borderless fullscreen
* no controllers other than the x-box controller
I just hope even many Windows gamers will draw the line at this point and not buy into this. At least a lot of people still remember GFWL and are skeptical.
* no SLI support
* Vsync is always on, g-sync/freesync doesn't work
* no overlays
* no .exe files, thus also no modding
* no overlays
* always borderless fullscreen
* no controllers other than the x-box controller
I just hope even many Windows gamers will draw the line at this point and not buy into this. At least a lot of people still remember GFWL and are skeptical.
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Let's just judge them by the facts:
Fact. Steam allows game developers to put the game on steam, then sell on other stores.
Microsoft its making exclusive games for their store.
Fact. Valve never going to make a game exclusive for its platform. (steam machines)
Microsoft its making exclusive games for xbox one.
Fact. Valve lets people vote which games are to be played in their system (greenlight). Microsoft have to approve your game.
Conclusion:
Microsoft are making movements who are proper of monopoly.
If you help a monopoly to consolidate, then you will be forced to obey their rules: Pay a fee to play online. Pay a fee monthly. Stay permanently connected to the internet to play even solo games. At the moment is consolidated, they will put rules and you only will be able to obey them.
Well, simply do not help monopolys.
Fact. Steam allows game developers to put the game on steam, then sell on other stores.
Microsoft its making exclusive games for their store.
Fact. Valve never going to make a game exclusive for its platform. (steam machines)
Microsoft its making exclusive games for xbox one.
Fact. Valve lets people vote which games are to be played in their system (greenlight). Microsoft have to approve your game.
Conclusion:
Microsoft are making movements who are proper of monopoly.
If you help a monopoly to consolidate, then you will be forced to obey their rules: Pay a fee to play online. Pay a fee monthly. Stay permanently connected to the internet to play even solo games. At the moment is consolidated, they will put rules and you only will be able to obey them.
Well, simply do not help monopolys.
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