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On my wishlist.
I'm missing some good space action and like Liam, i think the team worths our supports for the job.

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[quote]Good news everyone

:D

Though I might be too late, I still send them an email.
This type of game sounds great: coop twin stick action... up to 8 players. Yep, that's what I want to play ;)

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Quoting: musojon74Ok i'll look up how to do images at some point on this forum!

Just use the img bbcode tag, instead of plain html:
![](http://www.jonmusic.co.uk/gol_images/everspace_nvidia.png)

BTT: I hope Rockfish can release the Linux version of Everspace soon, and they'll also support VR on Linux when it hits.

The communication with the Linux community improved recently, before it was difficult to get informations about the progress on Linux. They planned to have a Linux build up for beta back then. That's particularly sad, as I'm even an alpha backer.

They were able to have the macOS build ready pretty early using Apple's Metal API, maybe it would all have gone better for Linux, if Vulkan was already released when they started working on Everspace.

Now Everspace seems to support three rendering paths: DX12, Metal and OpenGL.

But as I'm a patient person I'll keep asking for the progress and wait for the release ;)

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Props to them for supporting as far back as 6000 series AMD (or was it still ATI at that time? ha). I would love to see how old hardware this game will run that is not officially supported. Maybe I can resurrect my dead youtube channel for some zombie hardware fun.

But before any such thing, the title would need to go DRM-free. I regret breaking my rule and buying TW:Warhammer only to find out it doesn't even have cross platfrom multi and now it is just cluttering up my library with nobody to play with.

Quotesomething something about that's where the money is at

You know where the money is at? Consoles. Windows. Maybe Feral should just ditch Mac/Linux niches and pursue the *real* markets like the rest of the industry?

Quote"GOG is DRM because you need to sign into an account" - Leopard, probably

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what DRM is. We will always need to have a means of first acquiring the software. But once you have a copy of that game, what you do with it should not be dictated by phone-home mechanisms or prison warden "clients".

As soon as gaming becomes a self-sustaining market on Linux, I will be kicking Steam off of my machines. But until then, I must consider Valve an ally.

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OK, I'm begging. The game looks great and I'm a lover of TBS games.

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All right, let me try to be civilized in that matter.

When it comes to Linux gaming, everyone becomes an expert in an instant. I am well aware calculation differences between OS, it is expected especially if there are more than one team work on the project; Relic and Feral. I can easily forgive DoW2 and other older titles for not having "proper" cross platform multiplayer, but having a fresh release without cross platform multiplayer hurts a lot. I wonder, when exactly did Feral and Sega made the deal for DoW3? It must be during the game was under development, I hardly think otherwise. So, why didn't Feral request usage of cross-platform compliers and middleware? Having decently functioning cross platform multiplayer widens the lifespan of the title, makes more people to purchase the product; everybody wins. From this point I lost my faith in Feral's Sega ports. It is obvious that Feral cannot demand Linux friendly development environment from Sega even for upcoming titles. I better wait for summer sale to get DoW2 which at least has worth playing single player campaigns.

Lastly, installing Linux to my friends' computers in order to play with them? Sure, I would do that 6 years ago but not any longer; that's how you become "free of charge IT guy". No thanks.

Regards.

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looks like Linux is pretty much confirmed with the Devs on the Steam page looking for Linux testers

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I am so excited to see this game again! I am counting down the days.

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That's so cool, can't wait to play :)

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I hate to derail the comment section, but I can't get over how The Last Wind Monk sounds like a B-Rated ripoff of The Last Airbender.

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Quoting: rafebelmontLooks really cool to me. I have been dying to play games like this on Linux. Anyone has other recommendations?

Avorion could be a really good buy if you like exploration, building, and combat. It's pretty popular in the LT community.

Quoting: AskQuestionsLaterBeing a one man team doesn't help either

He's not a one-man team anymore. :) He's hired me as his community manager, and he's looking to hire an intern in the near future as well, to help with the code. More on that here.

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I noticed F1 2015 is 75% off on Humble. May be interesting for those that want to increase chances of Feral doing 2017.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardNext time , i will to the Feral<...>If you are not happy about it<...>

Few things. I find exclusivity approach bad. Put yourself in that situation, and say you like when you are excluded. I.e. for instance when you as Linux user are ignored by Windows only release. Show me one person who thinks that exclusivity is something positive. Surprising thing is, Linux users should probably know this topic in and out already.

Second, I already told Feral about it, so I'm sure they know.

I totally understand you.

But for me GOG and the other stores are no option for me.
Let me explain...
I'm a Linux networkadmin and care alot about security... also private.
I don't do facebook, twitter, ebay, paypal, buy online with creditcard, use smartphones,...
You can find me at different bug-trackers of different opensource projects where I send patches or report bugs - "mesa" for example.

BUT STEAM/VALVE sell gift cards at my gas station - thats why I prefer Steam most.
Steam has enough money/manpower to do this.

So you see... different people/porters have different interests/goals.

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Quoting: johndoe

Quoting: LeopardNext time , i will to the Feral ' Hey , yo Feral! Shmerl wants you games on GOG , because he is Polish and he has somekind of fanatizm,patriotizm about GOG so he somehow wants you to break main developers or publishers attitude. Don't mind if he is talking about other Drm-free stores ; he only cares about GOG'

Dude , enough of that your GOG loving movements. No matter what we approach you ; you're still trying to blame Feral and somehow Valve itself. Drop it off.

If you are not happy about it ; tell your beloved GOG to care about Linux by porting their titles and Galaxy , not treating us as second class citizens. Maybe after that ; our rising Linux porter Feral can consider that.

Hey Leopard,
Shmerl has an opinion and that is justified.
Please don't blame others for their thoughts/interests - this is really childish - and does not help.

Man , his attitude is childish too. He looks for a conspiracy ; which there is not.

He thinks that Feral can break the main publishers attitude about GOG ; it is not simple as that.

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Regarding the Feral GOG situation. Many developers release their games on both GOG and Steam. True the GOG sales are probably a fraction of the Steam sales, but it's just icing on the cake. Why not cast your net far and wide? If you've already gone through the trouble of porting a game to Linux, why wouldn't you release it on GOG? I don't believe it costs anything to put the game up on GOG right? Your revenue is all based on sales.

Saying that Steam is where the money is does not provide the full answer for why Feral ports are exclusive to Steam. Not saying it's right or wrong, there's probably a good reason. Money might be the primary reason, but surely not the only one.

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Quoting: LeopardNext time , i will to the Feral ' Hey , yo Feral! Shmerl wants you games on GOG , because he is Polish and he has somekind of fanatizm,patriotizm about GOG so he somehow wants you to break main developers or publishers attitude. Don't mind if he is talking about other Drm-free stores ; he only cares about GOG'

Dude , enough of that your GOG loving movements. No matter what we approach you ; you're still trying to blame Feral and somehow Valve itself. Drop it off.

If you are not happy about it ; tell your beloved GOG to care about Linux by porting their titles and Galaxy , not treating us as second class citizens. Maybe after that ; our rising Linux porter Feral can consider that.

Hey Leopard,
Shmerl has an opinion and that is justified.
Please don't blame others for their thoughts/interests - this is really childish - and does not help.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardNext time , i will to the Feral<...>If you are not happy about it<...>

Few things. I find exclusivity approach bad. Put yourself in that situation, and say you like when you are excluded. I.e. for instance when you as Linux user are ignored by Windows only release. Show me one person who thinks that exclusivity is something positive. Second, I already told Feral about it, so I'm sure they know.

You can tell that exclusivity to GOG or any other markets.

And you cannot see is that , Feral is not gonna be able deliberatrely release any other versions. Maybe some day if they choose to port an Aaa title which is available on Gog Windows and if they don't release it on Gog too ; we can be pissed to Feral together.

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It's pretty cool that they make the effort to communicate with us. This is why I posted about the driver update - they seemed to tell me that's all they were waiting for...



Ok i'll look up how to do images at some point on this forum!

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Quoting: LeopardNext time , i will to the Feral<...>If you are not happy about it<...>

Few things. I find exclusivity approach bad. Put yourself in that situation, and say you like when you are excluded. I.e. for instance when you as Linux user are ignored by Windows only release. Show me one person who thinks that exclusivity is something positive. Surprising thing is, Linux users should probably know this topic in and out already.

Second, I already told Feral about it, so I'm sure they know.

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Quoting: Shmerlor some deal which requires this exclusivity.

I think you are right here.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: liamdaweAs others have said, they are likely still bound by the original Publisher, so if the game isn't on GOG, Feral will likely not be able to do it themselves. They would need the Windows version on there too, I doubt they can just do whatever they please.

That's why I said above, that I'm not asking about such cases, that would be pointless to ask. I'm asking about why Feral pick only such cases to port. That's already something they choose.

Next time , i will to the Feral ' Hey , yo Feral! Shmerl wants you games on GOG , because he is Polish and he has somekind of fanatizm,patriotizm about GOG so he somehow wants you to break main developers or publishers attitude. Don't mind if he is talking about other Drm-free stores ; he only cares about GOG'

Dude , enough of that your GOG loving movements. No matter what we approach you ; you're still trying to blame Feral and somehow Valve itself. Drop it off.

If you are not happy about it ; tell your beloved GOG to care about Linux by porting their titles and Galaxy , not treating us as second class citizens. Maybe after that ; our rising Linux porter Feral can consider that.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyWell, I dunno about in the game, but in real life they can be handy in very hilly areas where roads have to meander and grades are too steep for rail.

No doubt, I meant in the game :) Building on top of a steep hill or mountain still requires roads for services, but sure cable cars might be faster as in the real world. My initial feeling of them is just that it is rather niche and more for spicing up the look of the city.

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Quoting: johndoeMoney rules the world.

I'm not sure it explains what's going on. More users = more money.

Quoting: liamdaweIsn't it obvious already? They pick what they think will make money, why does it need to be any more complicated than that?

Because obviously others are making money just fine by not being Steam only. So what gives? The "money" argument doesn't sound convincing here. Steam makes more money - that's right. But Steam + other stores makes even more. So I don't get the exclusivity. Discarding that (illogical assumption), what remains is either DRM, lock-in, or some deal which requires this exclusivity.

And Feral are always welcome to chime in and clarify the situation to avoid confusion and wrong assumptions on our part.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: liamdaweAs others have said, they are likely still bound by the original Publisher, so if the game isn't on GOG, Feral will likely not be able to do it themselves. They would need the Windows version on there too, I doubt they can just do whatever they please.

That's why I said above, that I'm not asking about such cases, that would be pointless to ask. I'm asking about why Feral pick only such cases to port. That's already something they can choose.

Isn't it obvious already? They pick what they think will make money, why does it need to be any more complicated than that? It just so happens games on Steam generally make more than games on GOG.

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Quoting: liamdaweAs others have said, they are likely still bound by the original Publisher, so if the game isn't on GOG, Feral will likely not be able to do it themselves. They would need the Windows version on there too, I doubt they can just do whatever they please.

That's why I said above, that I'm not asking about such cases, that would be pointless to ask. I'm asking about why Feral pick only such cases to port. That's already something they choose.

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Quoting: ShmerlRead my post above, I explain there why my question is. And it's not about publishers obviously, it's about Feral.

Yes, I did before I wrote my post.
Maybe my post was not as direct as the one from Liam, but...

Money rules the world.

I don't like it but this is reality.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: liamdaweThey go where the main money is: Steam. It's going to be as simple as that. It's the same reason for a lot of developers.

How does that preclude them from releasing in other stores, unless they have Steam exclusivity preference? Blaming it on coincidence can go only so far. For developers the reason is usually some hard lock-in, which they fell for. There is no reason to be exclusive otherwise.

The extra work involved in dealing with another store, considering GOG has a smaller user base, likely isn't too worth it.

As others have said, they are likely still bound by the original Publisher, so if the game isn't on GOG, Feral will likely not be able to do it themselves. They would need the Windows version on there too, I doubt they can just do whatever they please.

Selling Steam keys from their own store is completely different, it's still Steam.

There is no conspiracy. I think it's time to take off the tinfoil hat ;)

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Quoting: johndoeFeral are porters, not game developers.
They are definitely in one way bound to the deal with the publishers.

Read my post above, I explain there what my question is. And it's not about publishers obviously, it's about Feral.

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Quoting: liamdaweThey go where the main money is: Steam. It's going to be as simple as that. It's the same reason for a lot of developers.

How does that preclude them from releasing in other stores, unless they have Steam exclusivity preference? Blaming it on coincidence can go only so far.

Quoting: liamdaweIt's the same reason for a lot of developers.

For developers the reason is usually some hard lock-in, which they fell for. There is no reason to be exclusive otherwise. Exclusivity always means lost sales.

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Quoting: ShmerlRegardless, this topic is not about what DRM is, but about Feral being either DRM inclined, or interested in staying Steam exclusive for some reason.

Feral are porters, not game developers.
They are definitely in one way bound to the deal with the publishers.

But whats the problem with Steam/Valve?
Do not forget...
Without Valve linux gaming would NOT EXIST like it is NOW.
Imagine the plenty of games before "Steam for Linux" launched. I think you would not like it.
DRM Software/Games is not evil. It's only a modern copy-protection - thats all and not more.

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