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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: liamdaweThey go where the main money is: Steam. It's going to be as simple as that. It's the same reason for a lot of developers.

How does that preclude them from releasing in other stores, unless they have Steam exclusivity preference? Blaming it on coincidence can go only so far. For developers the reason is usually some hard lock-in, which they fell for. There is no reason to be exclusive otherwise.

The extra work involved in dealing with another store, considering GOG has a smaller user base, likely isn't too worth it.

As others have said, they are likely still bound by the original Publisher, so if the game isn't on GOG, Feral will likely not be able to do it themselves. They would need the Windows version on there too, I doubt they can just do whatever they please.

Selling Steam keys from their own store is completely different, it's still Steam.

There is no conspiracy. I think it's time to take off the tinfoil hat ;)

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Quoting: johndoeFeral are porters, not game developers.
They are definitely in one way bound to the deal with the publishers.

Read my post above, I explain there what my question is. And it's not about publishers obviously, it's about Feral.

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Quoting: liamdaweThey go where the main money is: Steam. It's going to be as simple as that. It's the same reason for a lot of developers.

How does that preclude them from releasing in other stores, unless they have Steam exclusivity preference? Blaming it on coincidence can go only so far.

Quoting: liamdaweIt's the same reason for a lot of developers.

For developers the reason is usually some hard lock-in, which they fell for. There is no reason to be exclusive otherwise. Exclusivity always means lost sales.

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Quoting: ShmerlRegardless, this topic is not about what DRM is, but about Feral being either DRM inclined, or interested in staying Steam exclusive for some reason.

Feral are porters, not game developers.
They are definitely in one way bound to the deal with the publishers.

But whats the problem with Steam/Valve?
Do not forget...
Without Valve linux gaming would NOT EXIST like it is NOW.
Imagine the plenty of games before "Steam for Linux" launched. I think you would not like it.
DRM Software/Games is not evil. It's only a modern copy-protection - thats all and not more.

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I will surely pick it up. I loved the first one...
I had a windows version for somereason (maybe got it from bundle or something, can't remember), so I played through wine, but worked just perfectly.
ofcourse, I prefer native versions, but I like adventure games so much, I get them anyways, even if it means running wine :)


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Ok, my desktop is way over the requirements. Now, please release it already, can't wait to sink hours conquering feudal Japan again.

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Quoting: ShmerlI wouldn't mind buying in Feral store, if they'll offer games there DRM-free. They don't however, they simply sell Steam keys now. I'd accept them selling keys for DRM-free stores, but that's not the case either, like explained above.

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoMaybe their ports are subsidized by Valve... That could explain the Steam exclusivity..

Something isn't straight here. I doubt it's a coincidence.

There's no conspiracy here, just stop :)

They go where the main money is: Steam. It's going to be as simple as that. It's the same reason for a lot of developers.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: PJ

Quoting: liamdaweInteresting, did you email Feral support? DOW2 is one Linux title I've never had an issue with loading.

yeah, and it seems they gave up after a while. Initially they suggested trying a supported distro (I think Ubuntu 16.04), but that didn't help at all. The game launches, but just after the mission loads it hangs up (no crash, thus no crash report).
But to give them a bit of credit I humbly admit my workstation is a bit less common setup - dual Xeon workstation I use for rendering and my 3d modelling.
I'd still love to play DoW2, but at this time I don't have my hopes up.

The only thing I could try in a similar circumstance was disable bits & pieces of audio (for me it was speech). Same symptom: just after the first mission loads, it crashes. I didn't think it'd be a problem for a supported distro, but it's worth a try.

Did you try using taskset to set what cores were allocated to the game? In case it doesn't like two physical cpu's.

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Looks nifty.

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Quoting: GuestThe only thing I could try in a similar circumstance was disable bits & pieces of audio (for me it was speech). Same symptom: just after the first mission loads, it crashes. I didn't think it'd be a problem for a supported distro, but it's worth a try.

Interesting you mention audio. I fondly remember that during the benchmark, after the progress bar loaded up I've heard some orc/gretchin mumbling and then the game would hang up (as mentioned not crash, but freeze).
Just to make sure - do you mean disabling audio options in the DoW2 settings panel? Or something on a system level?

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Quoting: numasanCable cars I'm not sure how practical they are.

Well, I dunno about in the game, but in real life they can be handy in very hilly areas where roads have to meander and grades are too steep for rail.

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Quoting: MintedGamer

Quoting: cRaZy-bisCuiT.. but better have no port at all than a only partly functioning one..

I wholeheartedly disagree dude, I've been hoping for a Linux version since it was first announced. People can still enjoy the single player campaign and multiplayer with Linux and Mac, it's not like the lobbies will be empty. I do see your point that's its a shame we can't join matches with our Windows friends, but no reason not to release the game.

.. Maybe it's a good excuse to get them to switch to a better OS ;)

I was going to say--they'll just have to dual-boot Linux, that's all there is to it. Well, makes sense. I mean, for me to dual-boot Windows I'd have to, like, buy it, and the install would be painful and probably try to wipe my Linux partition and stuff. Whereas for a Windows person to add a Linux partition is free, and a breeze unless it's like Slackware or something.

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Mountain ManThere's a SteamOS 2.0? When did that happen?

November 2015 so quite some time ago ;)

That was 2.0?

Yet, 2.0 was when they changed their base from Debian 7 to Debian 8. If I'm not mistaken it was the version they released back when the Steam Machines where to be released.

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Quoting: liamdaweInteresting, did you email Feral support? DOW2 is one Linux title I've never had an issue with loading.

yeah, and it seems they gave up after a while. Initially they suggested trying a supported distro (I think Ubuntu 16.04), but that didn't help at all. The game launches, but just after the mission loads it hangs up (no crash, thus no crash report).
But to give them a bit of credit I humbly admit my workstation is a bit less common setup - dual Xeon workstation I use for rendering and my 3d modelling.
I'd still love to play DoW2, but at this time I don't have my hopes up.

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Coool! I have played and loved Pizza Connection (Pizza Tycoon in the English-speaking area) on the Amiga (in 1994). This is a long time ago ... but I've played it between again and again with an Amiga emulator. : D

The features described are almost the same as the features of the old Amiga title. For me this is a mandatory purchase! Has also already landed on the Steam-Wishlist. :)
-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Tycoon
-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwWmyVDRh4A
-> http://www.kultboy.com/testbericht-uebersicht/751/
-> http://www.lemonamiga.com/games/details.php?id=2309

BTW - there was an MS-DOS-Version, too:
-> http://www.abandonia.com/games/105

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Something developers miss is that supporting other platforms (Linux included) doesn't always generate revenue proportional to the sales they make on that particular platform. There are numerous games that I bought on Linux, liked it and recommended to others who bought it (on windows), or bought it (again, on windows) so we can play together. Those people in turn encourage others to buy the game, which likely would again be on windows.

So even though the sale on Linux looks small, it helps increase the sale on windows as well.

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Quoting: LeopardDifferent thing is ; you can't just copy the game folder (on some Steam games you can) and run it on another piece of machine without your account. Actually this is also forbidden on GOG.

You just quoted yourself the part which says that's it's permitted by GOG. Obviously no one permits copying it to others. We are talking about personal copies. DRM-free means there are no restrictions on it (for installation, backup and any other personal use). Having an account to buy something is not DRM.

Regardless, this topic is not about what DRM is, but about Feral being either DRM inclined, or interested in staying Steam exclusive for some reason.

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Quoting: PJgreat and bad news at the same time. Awesome as I really want to try this game. Bad as no multi-system multiplayer kills a lot of charm (would be willing to get it only with a massive discount with -nix only multiplayer). Otherwise I'd be willing to try risk getting it , even though DoW2 port didn't work on my workstation (no matter supported or unsupported distro has been installed).

Interesting, did you email Feral support? DOW2 is one Linux title I've never had an issue with loading.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardFeral is a company which has some deals with companies and keep doing ports of their titles. Maybe Feral is choosing only-drm publishers on purpose ( which i don't think so,since games like Hitman don't have drm on Linux despite Windows) or that is just coincidence. ( probably that is the reason, since they're on AAA level)

There are DRM-free big budget games there, which are not ported to Linux yet. Initially I also thought it's just a coincidence, but when it happens consistently (there are zero titles ported by Feral that came out in DRM-free stores), it looks like coincidence less and less, and more like systematic or intentional issue.

I asked Feral about it explicitly, and it sounds like it's not a random thing:

QuoteQ: Do you plan to ever release any (future) ports on GOG? I don't think there are any games from you there yet.

A: Not at the moment, nope.

This tells me it's about attitude, not about chance.

Quoting: Leopardso many AAA games has drm ; that is the market is going.

I don't think so. DRM was demonstrated to be futile again and again, so hopefully market isn't going in the direction of more of this insanity.

I think you are simply miss understanding Drm.

I'm also against Denuvo like shitty Drm's or other DRM's that forces you to being online all the time.

Steam is a Drm'ed place and also GOG is. Because you will need account and games stored in it all the time ; both of them.

Different thing is ; you can't just copy the game folder (on some Steam games you can) and run it on another piece of machine without your account. Actually this is also forbidden on GOG.

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212806505-Can-I-enjoy-my-purchases-both-on-my-laptop-and-desktop-computer-at-home-

QuoteYes. We do not limit the number of installations or reinstallations, as long as you install your purchased games on computers in your household. So yeah, if you've got a render-farm in the basement, you might actually break the world record for the number of legal Witcher installations in one household. However, if you think about installing your game on a friend's machine or sharing it with others then please don't do it, okay?The same principle applies to movies - you're free to watch them anywhere you want, with anyone you want, as long as you don't share them with people who haven't purchased them.

Yet , you can share your library up to 10 people on Steam.

So you can see GOG Drm free games on internet which is served by some people and this causes abuses. Basically , people who are aware of that DRM free versions are sharing them with each other. That is sad but it is a fact.

So Steam is not such a hard ruler over the DRM , in fact it allows you to share them with others in a way.

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great and bad news at the same time. Awesome as I really want to try this game. Bad as no multi-system multiplayer kills a lot of charm (would be willing to get it only with a massive discount with -nix only multiplayer). Otherwise I'd be willing to try risk getting it , even though DoW2 port didn't work on my workstation (no matter supported or unsupported distro has been installed).

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Quoting: LeopardFeral is a company which has some deals with companies and keep doing ports of their titles. Maybe Feral is choosing only-drm publishers on purpose ( which i don't think so,since games like Hitman don't have drm on Linux despite Windows) or that is just coincidence. ( probably that is the reason, since they're on AAA level)

There are DRM-free big budget games there, which are not ported to Linux yet. Initially I also thought it's just a coincidence, but when it happens consistently (there are zero titles ported by Feral that came out in DRM-free stores), it looks like coincidence less and less, and more like systematic or intentional issue.

I asked Feral about it explicitly, and it sounds like it's not a random thing:

QuoteQ: Do you plan to ever release any (future) ports on GOG? I don't think there are any games from you there yet.

A: Not at the moment, nope.

This tells me it's about attitude, not about chance.

Quoting: Leopardso many AAA games has drm ; that is the market is going.

I don't think so. DRM was demonstrated to be futile again and again, so hopefully market isn't going in the direction of more of this insanity.

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Quoting: Jahimself

QuoteQuake Champions is not self Vulkanized , it is DX11. Also it is a F2P title , so how can you expect to Feral make money on that?

Before that , we need Doom on Linux natively.

It will be using doom's vulkan engine part, so it must be opengl at the moment. And I'm pretty sure linux community would buy the full game as a support if Feral was doing the port. Zenimax has dropped support on linux in quake 3 and quake live, but we need at least one quake game on linux, as it use to be the rule under Carmack era. I'm pretty sure it would be easily doable as doom without denuvo can run as fast as windows.

Quake 4 has a linux build. I have it installed.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardThat is their business model , selling Steam keys via their store.

Such business model doesn't stop them from selling keys through any store (GOG and Humble also offer keys functionality for instance). I start suspecting it's rather their attitude towards DRM that's causing them to do it, or it's not about DRM but they have some Steam exclusivity deal going on. From what I've heard though, Valve claim they don't make such deals, but I'm not convinced.

To clarify, this is not about why Feral don't release titles they already ported outside of Steam. Those titles are owned by publishers who don't release DRM-free, so it's not up to Feral. It's about why Feral pick only such titles to begin with (this is up to them already).

Actually i'm thinking that Feral is tied with main publishers decision.

If that game is not originally on any Drm Free store , than the Linux version won't make it too.

Feral is a company which has some deals with companies and keep doing ports of their titles. Maybe Feral is choosing only-drm publishers on purpose ( which i don't think so,since games like Hitman don't have drm on Linux despite Windows) or that is just coincidence. ( probably that is the reason, since they're on AAA level)

Since they are porting AAA games , Windows versions of these games are not available on GOG or Humble Drm Free collection. So it is so natural these games are not on drm free stores. In fact ; so many AAA games has drm ; that is the market is going.

GOG saw an empty place on Drm free area and jumped on it ; because they know you can't get nothing by copying Steam. So they do this because they want to be different , that's all. So this not a messiah or savior thing , just another business model.

Don't mind it, since Steam Linux games are mostly not Drm strict games. Just play it ; don't waste time.

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I wouldn't mind buying in Feral store, if they'll offer games there DRM-free. They don't however, they simply sell Steam keys now. I'd accept them selling keys for DRM-free stores, but that's not the case either, like explained above.

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoMaybe their ports are subsidized by Valve... That could explain the Steam exclusivity..

Something isn't straight here. I doubt it's a coincidence.

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Quoting: ShmerlSo, was it Made to Wade or not? I don't see it on their radar anymore. For me it's something I'll again skip, since it's Steam only. I hope it's not Feral's attitude towards using DRM that's causing them to release only through Steam, but so far they consistently do only that (I suppose by picking publishers who require it).

I have to admit that I could accept an exclusive DRM/download manager made by Feral for the Feral Linux/Mac ports sold at Feral store because they must take care of their investment...
In other words, I can accept a Feral ecosystem exclusivity for their Linux ports, but I don't accept the steam ecosystem exclusivity.

Maybe their ports are subsidized by Valve... That could explain the Steam exclusivity..

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25th, IIRC

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Mountain ManThere's a SteamOS 2.0? When did that happen?

November 2015 so quite some time ago ;)

That was 2.0?

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Quoting: ExpalphalogI do not understand the aversion towards asking for something that you want.

This is the first time since my switch to Linux that I am starting to see the "toxic elitism" that Windows users always accuse us of exhibiting. Shame on you. If you don't want the game, ignore it. If you do, saying so won't hurt anything.

It's not elitism. Of course there is interest in games for Linux. It's a silly question, that's all.

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Quoting: LeopardThat is their business model , selling Steam keys via their store.

Such business model doesn't stop them from selling keys through any store (GOG and Humble also offer keys functionality for instance). I start suspecting it's rather their attitude towards DRM that's causing them to do it, or it's not about DRM but they have some Steam exclusivity deal going on. From what I've heard though, Valve claim they don't make such deals, but I'm not convinced.

To clarify, this is not about why Feral don't release titles they already ported outside of Steam. Those titles are owned by publishers who don't release DRM-free, so it's not up to Feral. It's about why Feral pick only such titles to begin with (this is up to them already).

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Quoting: ShmerlSo, was it Made to Wade or not? I don't see it on their radar anymore. For me it's something I'll again skip, since it's Steam only. I hope it's not Feral's attitude towards using DRM that's causing them to release only through Steam, but so far they consistently do only that (I suppose by picking publishers who require it).

Made to Wade was DoW 3 , Spicey entry was Shogun.

That is their business model , selling Steam keys via their store.

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