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Quoting: razing32I've been following this for a while but have not seen positive notes on the steam reviews.
Even from people playing quite a bit.

Have you played this Liam ?
Do you plan to do an in-depth review ?

I gave it some recent impressions here. Likely waiting a while before doing so again to see how it changes.

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Apologies, too off topic for the forum.

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I've been following this for a while but have not seen positive notes on the steam reviews.
Even from people playing quite a bit.

Have you played this Liam ?
Do you plan to do an in-depth review ?

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Kinda sucks somebody did that.
Wonder why though ?
Was it just for shits and gigglez or did somebody have a bone to pick with unity devs ?

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You finally got around to it

Also

Spoiler, click me

QuoteNote: My key was provided for free by a friend on Steam some time ago, I forgot who though, apologies.

It was me :)

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Quoting: JudasIscariotYou can actually use winetricks as Austin English implemented the ability to turn CSMT off and on in the registry. Here's the initial commit:

https://github.com/Winetricks/winetricks/commit/3f50cf9e6b142b1ed31739f7b7f14bfd07ce7ae0

and the follow-up commit to correct a bug within the initial commit:
https://github.com/Winetricks/winetricks/commit/35eb15ff45656165dff5e9e173ec5d162144ee2c

Here's how the CSMT on/off setting looks in winetricks:

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Thanks to winetricks for make more simple things for regular user, is more important most users can used wine

CSMT register dont affect performance for now, but can usefull for solve flickering problem in some titles

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Quoting: Colombo

Quotealso this is the same person who liked ME : andromeda and no man sky ...and those both where horrible shit..and flopped so badly..oh and he hated starcraft2 also (if I remember correctly)...and he is one of the most Hypocritical & egotistical (Amateur) reviewers.

and saying that he lifted his SEGA boycott just to reviews this game doesn't make the situation any better ...it makes it way worse..why? try to figure out for yourself at times.

Uh, I might not agree with TotalBiscuit, I might not like what he likes, but in his reviews, he always tries to point out all the flaws and all the pros of each game, regardless of him liking it or hating it. He states quite often that whole point of his reviews is not to tell you what you should like because he likes it, but gives you general overview on how the game is played, what problems the game might have and what is nice on that game using constructive arguments.

Also, he does reviewing for living, so technically he is professional.

Don't mind him. He is either obviously trolling or being a kid who has no idea what he is talking about. Claiming that TotalBiscuit hates StarCraft II while he has a dedicated SC2 channel is flat out dumbass. Moreover, again claiming that TotalBiscuit liked No Man's Sky is a shameless lie cause he hated overhype surrounding the game so much that he rejected covering the game itself. Seriously what the hack?

apprently I remember/confused him with someone else as I really haven followed him in years, is also happens that I wrote this 3-5am that didn't help at all either...also human memory is like wikipedia (aka you or anybody can edit your memory)...at least so sorry about that..

but anyway that people think that he or anybody else are professional just show how much we trust these people when you can trust them as much as IGN reviews.

I personally only check random gameplay streams to check the game out and if there is beta or a demo I will try it, and if some of my friends have bought it I will ask their oppinon, I also check pro gamers/streamers that are good on different type of games, so now with DoW3 I look at some "pro" RTS gamers/streamers and see what they think on some stuff...and that could adjust just little bit my opinon ...aka IF I think game is 7 or 8 their opinon can affect what side I lean on (7 or 8)...at least if there is some stuff that I'm not familiar with and I cant really give an opinon ...like some balancing stuff.


the last thing, about why u shouldn't read too much in to the metacritc reviews (at least), as most of the negative comments are 0/10 and when u check those accounts its their only game review ...and unfortunately there is no system to check that you have played the game and you can make how many account as possible, so you can't really trust those reviews...as it can be just one person makeing those reviews. And what about steam reviewes?...its also problematic but not as bad metacritc.
one issue is that there is only "like" or "dislike" option, plus many of the negative reviews have only 1-2h of playtime which does raise questions. One thing I have notice is that the rate of positive reviews is increasing (slowly but it is)...its now ~60% positive, have to see what the record is in 1month or so.

also one of the latest AAA games that Feral ported to linux got also mixed reviews, and it was Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (metacritic review) ...

Spoiler, click me

I liked it, oc it had problems but so did Human Revolution actually in many stuff mankind divided was a nice upgrade from Human Revolution..MD story was maybe the biggest problem but not a huge one...I think it was fine

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played it quite some time ago, haven't seen it getting much updates sadly. It's a fun game, but needs a lot more content and players imo.

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Quoting: Beta VersionDoes/will it have a single-player story mode?

Seems so, yes. Currently it has two single player battles to try out.

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Mech games seem like the perfect fodder for VR. Hopefully Linux/SteamOS VR developement can continue to make strides as the next gen of headsets demand even more performance and efficiency at driver / OS level.

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Does/will it have a single-player story mode?

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All sites should use 2FA if resonably possible.

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Ah, now I remembered Search and Rescue, that had a Linux version but later became Windows only. It was a non violent game, were you needed to rescue people under difficult conditions. Too bad that style of game never became mainstream.

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its Witcher 3

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Quoting: NanobangLol, thanks Eike. Is it good that I have no opinion on 90s interfaces as I have no idea what distinguishes them from today's interfaces? XD

It depends. :)

But I guess it's not too much unlike other genres: Stuff gets easier, streamlined, more accessible.
In old adventures (that's what point and click is called at least here) you've got a verb list (in very old adventures, you just typed text - look for Infocom if you're curious, they're worth it), nowadays, you're likely getting "look" on left mouse button and "do stuff" on the right one.

But... just give it a try. :)

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Quoting: EikeIt's a very special point and click, though, with an interface from the nineties. And if you want to give point and click a try and don't mind the nineties' interface ...

Lol, thanks Eike. Is it good that I have no opinion on 90s interfaces as I have no idea what distinguishes them from today's interfaces? XD

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While I do read reviews before buying games, there's not a single negative comment that I read that convinced me at the time.
The main reason is that while PC gaming is broader than say Mac or Linux gaming, I think it is way more narrow-minded, because of a phenomena of reinforcement. A game that's talked about will be all the rage, and at the end of the day, tastes in PC-gaming, if we look at the big picture, are rather poor/basic.

That's how I explain why some people see things that I don't see. And first and foremost, DoW II doesn't remind me of a MOBA at all. That's micromanagement pushed to the extreme, with some RPG elements, and it makes me think of Myth or Canon Fodder. Again, anyone can make his own links to other titles, anyway I can't help but to think that people say it's a MOBA because MOBA is what's being talked about nowadays, that it's a very divisive topic, and that it means a lot of negative concepts to people's mind, including free-to-play and pay-to-win.

The fact is that it's the main argument for negative comments, and it's an argument I don't find convincing at all. So, we'll see.

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Quoting: TheRiddickNot sure howto get this on Manjaro, think I just have to wait a few days until someone tests it and pushes it as update.

Since Manjaro is a rolling distro, it will come in the form of regular updates.

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Quoting: razing32I think I am playing on normal but not sure.
Have not played in over a week as all the characters I have make things confusing at this point :(

I gave all (transferrable) items to one person to have a better overview. But if you find it too confusing and not enjoyable, better play it on easy mode than not at all. You would have to start from beginning, though, difficulty is not changeable later on.

will get around to it eventually.
Just not in the mood I suppose.

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Quoting: Colombo

Quotealso this is the same person who liked ME : andromeda and no man sky ...and those both where horrible shit..and flopped so badly..oh and he hated starcraft2 also (if I remember correctly)...and he is one of the most Hypocritical & egotistical (Amateur) reviewers.

and saying that he lifted his SEGA boycott just to reviews this game doesn't make the situation any better ...it makes it way worse..why? try to figure out for yourself at times.

Uh, I might not agree with TotalBiscuit, I might not like what he likes, but in his reviews, he always tries to point out all the flaws and all the pros of each game, regardless of him liking it or hating it. He states quite often that whole point of his reviews is not to tell you what you should like because he likes it, but gives you general overview on how the game is played, what problems the game might have and what is nice on that game using constructive arguments.

Also, he does reviewing for living, so technically he is professional.

Don't mind him. He is either obviously trolling or being a kid who has no idea what he is talking about. Claiming that TotalBiscuit hates StarCraft II while he has a dedicated SC2 channel is flat out dumbass. Moreover, again claiming that TotalBiscuit liked No Man's Sky is a shameless lie cause he hated overhype surrounding the game so much that he rejected covering the game itself. Seriously what the hack?

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Would love to support him but I just can't into that style of game or justify buying which really sucks.

Still, seems he's doing well.

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Not sure howto get this on Manjaro, think I just have to wait a few days until someone tests it and pushes it as update.

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Hmmm...
If you want to get me with the MP part it has to be good, diverse and work cross OS.
If you can not deliver on that:
Your SP content should be damned good and decently sized.
If you want to sell it to me for 60€ ...well... it should better be both, to be honest(or deliver truly exceptional in one category).
Unfortunately I can not see any of that concerning DoW3. This does not even make it on the whishlist for now.


(SEGA games that would make it to the very top of the whishlist would be NieR:Automata and Bayonetta, btw - just saying :D)

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Too late. I always picked it up and am ready to launch it on my Linux gear.

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Quotealso this is the same person who liked ME : andromeda and no man sky ...and those both where horrible shit..and flopped so badly..oh and he hated starcraft2 also (if I remember correctly)...and he is one of the most Hypocritical & egotistical (Amateur) reviewers.

and saying that he lifted his SEGA boycott just to reviews this game doesn't make the situation any better ...it makes it way worse..why? try to figure out for yourself at times.

Uh, I might not agree with TotalBiscuit, I might not like what he likes, but in his reviews, he always tries to point out all the flaws and all the pros of each game, regardless of him liking it or hating it. He states quite often that whole point of his reviews is not to tell you what you should like because he likes it, but gives you general overview on how the game is played, what problems the game might have and what is nice on that game using constructive arguments.

Also, he does reviewing for living, so technically he is professional.

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Quoting: zimplex1

Quoting: ahjolinnaDoW 2 and CoH2 where both MP first SP second...and thats why the singleplayer was the most boring thing ever on those games, thats why most people spent playing MP most of the time on those games not SP, this why Relic decided to make more "story driven" single player that was also huge prep/tutorial for multiplayer. ...this goes for other RTS games also (more or less)

and just because DoW3 gameplay style is combination of both previous titles doesn't make it "dumbed down" ...people said the same thing about DoW2/CoH2 when it come...

its also funny how so many keeps saying that how this faction is OP or to weak...when it just comes down that every faction plays differently and they just dont know how to play them.
only thing I have notice that the the elite units could use some balancing...
but then again balancing issues are always expected when game arrives...omg if this would be some EA or ubisoft game...the balancing would be none existing and other ridiculous day 1 problems.

I really don't get how this game gets so much hate ...is this really a game that should get 0/10 ? plz?!
I can get 5/10 if you are really disappointed...but those who say that its lower than that really dont know what a bad game is...plus 0/10 should mean that its (technically) broken and doesn't work aka you cant play it on your system.

but this is just irrational hate which is so normal on internet nowdays...and they are usually the most vocal about their opinion, and those who like it dont really like to bother to say anything
+people should just stop trusting any reviewer

The simple fact that DoW 3's campaign is just a glorified tutorial for multiplayer turns me off entirely. DoW 1 AND 2 were both tailored for a good singleplayer experiences with multiplayer tacked on for extra fun/value (although DoW2 multiplayer sucked). Without the singleplayer focus, and the dumbed/simplified mechanics this game sits at a 3/10 for me which makes it not worth buying.
I think the reason people hate it so much is because you have a group that loves DoW1, a group that loves DoW2, and DoW3 doesn't please either group. This is a simple case of a developer trying and failing to please everybody. They should have either made the game similar to DoW1 or DoW2 instead of both, because now DoW3 is just filled with the watered down mechanics of both of the previous games. It also probably doesn't help that they made a piss-poor campaign which is actually just a tutorial for the most part.

well whatever you think about the SP or MP quality on those games most people put most of their time on the MP side (stats don't lie) ..and DoW2/CoH2 was made as MP game you like it or not.

anyway you said that because they tried to make "hybrid of DoW 1 and 2" because they tried to please everybody and thats why it failed ...well...
if they made DoW 1/2 remake/sequel that the those fans wanted...that would have just angered either fanbases...and then there would be the people would say that there is no innovation and its boring because its same old. so from Relic/Sega point of view they couldn't win...only real option was to move on and try make something new('ish) and listen to the market instead and try to "grab new players"

also 3/10? plz?! ....you should really play more different games if you give 3/10 that easily.


but I think most of this hate comes from that you want a SP focused game...so if you are look for a SP RTS game then this was never for you...like DoW/CoH2...sorry.

and also The campaign is good and can be very challenging on hard the races and units make up a lot of tactics...yes its on the short side...but then again most people DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SP...thats why more "story driven" version


last thing I would stop looking as a DoW 1/2 hybrid and just start to look for what it is...DoW 3....why?
because saying those thing is just simplifying things instead of treating it as its own thing..
and what it has become is really solid RTS that has actual depth in its own way, its just that many dont want to see them or just too caught on what they liked on DoW 1/2 mechanics...so that why its hard to look outside of that box

maybe I'm rationalising/defending this too much...perhaps...but I know at least that its not as bad what most people write in they "hate reviews" ...and I find it sad that people do this and then let actual bad AAA games way easier

Sorry, but your conclusion is wrong.

The data might say that people spend more time in MP than SP. If you have 12 hour SP campaign (I doubt it), and every MP match will last 30 minutes, than it takes 24 MP matches to equalize it. Thats not huge amount. Because usually in RTS, SP campaign has quite limited replayability (if we don't take skirmish and it seems that you don't take skirmish in the account), it is not surprising that statistically, people will spend more time in MP than in SP campaign. However, this does not summarise reason why people are buying the game in the first place, does it? You would need more complete statistics as of: paired data for spending in SP and MP and hopefully some additional information, like what was the primary reason for buying game and more of this stuff (which would be influenced by personal view, for sure, but together with time spend playing game, one could determine some personal bias and mine more information regarding primary question).

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Quoting: ahjolinna

Quoting: nitroflow

Quoting: ahjolinna

Quoting: nitroflow

Quoting: ahjolinna

Quoting: zimplex1I hope it comes to Linux, but this looks like the worst Dawn of War game ever so I won't let this atrocity touch my hard drive.

if you are talking about those over negative comments/reviews on metacritc or steam, you have to keep in mind that this happen to DoW2 also because it was so different from DoW1 and CoH2 got A LOT of negative reviews in metacritic from russians

anyway most of the negative comments have been that its not the DoW1 or DoW 2 remake what they wanted...and/or because it has some MOBA, Starcraft and Warcraft 3 elements and that means it's exactly like those games gameplay style...with that logic DoW2 is way more MOBA than DoW3.

what DoW3 really is, it's a combination of the previous games and with some borrowed elements of other games to enhance experiense, some will like them or not...you can't please everyone.

another negative comment has been about the graphics that they are too "cartoony" and the animation aren't that great..
I personally don't really see this, okay maybe some areas of the maps...maybe little bit.
What Relic wanted to make DoW3 to look more closer to the table-top's figurines...thats why it's more colorful and that doesn't make it cartoony. DoW2 (and 1) was also "cartoony" just more darker...also if u check 40k art style there is some that are really colorful and some are darker, if you prefer the darker style that's fine, it doesn't make this any more wrong/bad.

anyway, is this game perfect? oh god NO but the core elements are good, the only problem I have with it is that there is only 3 factions and little bit to few MP maps and 1 game mode.

some of these things were postponed and will arrive later (unfortunately), but the biggest question is that how (and when) will these arrive....the good thing is that there is MOD support and there is already few maps made, and at least on CoH2 Relic did add the most popular ones to the game

so I would give this game a 7 or 8 in its current state...and as Relic has been working a lot with the community before to fix stuff in CoH2 I do think DoW3 has good future, plus the game seems to run way better than CoH2 or DoW2...thank god.

What worries me the most and lends credibility to all the criticism is
View video on youtube.com

I cant stand people like TotalBiscuit or angryjoeshow nowdays as they arent what they where before...I dont like them for different reasons TotalBiscuit is horrible gamer and his opinions are just all over the place and his part of this stupid "pc master race shit" same goes with angryjoes (more or less) but what makes it worse with angryjoe is that his has become complete sellout and really lazy.

Regardless of your opinion of him, in that video he does point out all that you also point out, the difference is that he also points out the bad, not just what you care about, and you have to accept that.

well if u have check out some of my comments I have said that there are bad things but they aren't really THAT bad...
like some features were postponed and didn't arrive day one (leaderboards/ranked MP) and only one game mode and minimum MP maps (but at least mods are supported, so its not as big of a problem)...and then that there was only 3 faction was litle bit disappointing but what I do like is that

Spoiler, click me

necrons and chaos and maybe imperial guards

will be the next faction ...I just wonder how/when they will arrive.


otherwise the core gameplay seems great...some issues maybe here and there but they can be fixed...but I think Relic also need some community feedback that how....and about the games "mechanical issues" the opinions are all over the place and everybody cant be right... and I really want to keep out of that topic until the game has matured little bit and there has been more "testing"..why because some are just balancing issues and we have to see if they are issues that can be fixed easily or are they really broken by design

and there are some other nitpicks like graphics settings option aren't that great either, really basic...

Have you even watched the whole 50m of that video? He generally agrees with you, it has potential, but the gameplay is more limiting, lacks content and the single player experience is a glorified tutorial instead of a proper campaign when compared to dow2 and coh2 and there lies the issue. It feels very much like a rushed release. He never said don't get it, he said wait for it to be fixed, either by the community or the developers.

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Quoting: nitroflow

Quoting: ahjolinna

Quoting: nitroflow

Quoting: ahjolinna

Quoting: zimplex1I hope it comes to Linux, but this looks like the worst Dawn of War game ever so I won't let this atrocity touch my hard drive.

if you are talking about those over negative comments/reviews on metacritc or steam, you have to keep in mind that this happen to DoW2 also because it was so different from DoW1 and CoH2 got A LOT of negative reviews in metacritic from russians

anyway most of the negative comments have been that its not the DoW1 or DoW 2 remake what they wanted...and/or because it has some MOBA, Starcraft and Warcraft 3 elements and that means it's exactly like those games gameplay style...with that logic DoW2 is way more MOBA than DoW3.

what DoW3 really is, it's a combination of the previous games and with some borrowed elements of other games to enhance experiense, some will like them or not...you can't please everyone.

another negative comment has been about the graphics that they are too "cartoony" and the animation aren't that great..
I personally don't really see this, okay maybe some areas of the maps...maybe little bit.
What Relic wanted to make DoW3 to look more closer to the table-top's figurines...thats why it's more colorful and that doesn't make it cartoony. DoW2 (and 1) was also "cartoony" just more darker...also if u check 40k art style there is some that are really colorful and some are darker, if you prefer the darker style that's fine, it doesn't make this any more wrong/bad.

anyway, is this game perfect? oh god NO but the core elements are good, the only problem I have with it is that there is only 3 factions and little bit to few MP maps and 1 game mode.

some of these things were postponed and will arrive later (unfortunately), but the biggest question is that how (and when) will these arrive....the good thing is that there is MOD support and there is already few maps made, and at least on CoH2 Relic did add the most popular ones to the game

so I would give this game a 7 or 8 in its current state...and as Relic has been working a lot with the community before to fix stuff in CoH2 I do think DoW3 has good future, plus the game seems to run way better than CoH2 or DoW2...thank god.

What worries me the most and lends credibility to all the criticism is
View video on youtube.com

I cant stand people like TotalBiscuit or angryjoeshow nowdays as they arent what they where before...I dont like them for different reasons TotalBiscuit is horrible gamer and his opinions are just all over the place and his part of this stupid "pc master race shit" same goes with angryjoes (more or less) but what makes it worse with angryjoe is that his has become complete sellout and really lazy.

Regardless of your opinion of him, in that video he does point out all that you also point out, the difference is that he also points out the bad, not just what you care about, and you have to accept that.

well if u have check out some of my comments I have said that there are bad things but they aren't really THAT bad...
like some features were postponed and didn't arrive day one (leaderboards/ranked MP) and only one game mode and minimum MP maps (but at least mods are supported, so its not as big of a problem)...and then that there was only 3 faction was litle bit disappointing but what I do like is that

Spoiler, click me

necrons and chaos and maybe imperial guards

will be the next faction ...I just wonder how/when they will arrive.


otherwise the core gameplay seems great...some issues maybe here and there but they can be fixed...but I think Relic also need some community feedback that how....and about the games "mechanical issues" the opinions are all over the place and everybody cant be right... and I really want to keep out of that topic until the game has matured little bit and there has been more "testing"..why because some are just balancing issues and we have to see if they are issues that can be fixed easily or are they really broken by design

and there are some other nitpicks like graphics settings option aren't that great either, really basic...

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Quoting: LinuxwarperAs for the "most official" part, I find it harder to find more official than a release announcement, but perhaps you were referring to the way of getting it on ubuntu?

What you said in bold. Please excuse me if this is a stupid question but why are they building Mesa 17.1 when latest stable release is 17.0.5? Shouldn't they work to build 17.0.5 instead?

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Quoting: rea987

Quoting: ahjolinnaI cant stand people like TotalBiscuit or angryjoeshow nowdays as they arent what they where before...I dont like them for different reasons TotalBiscuit is horrible gamer and his opinions are just all over the place and his part of this stupid "pc master race shit" same goes with angryjoes (more or less) but what makes it worse with angryjoe is that his has become complete sellout and really lazy.

Well, tough shait mate. TotalBiscuit never claimed to be a great gamer; he is a a video games critic for all intents and purposes. Hack, it sounds like one needs to be a outstanding footballer to commentate football matches; are you insane or what?

Are you aware that TotalBiscuit is one of the alpha testers of DoW1 to ensure the balance when there was no early access bullocks going on. He lifted his SEGA boykott most probably for the sake of covering DoW3.

Angry Joe? I stopped following him years ago for the health of my ears and sanity...

DoW3 eleminates any possibility of creative strategy by forcing giant mecha elites and base turrets. Thanks to those and early game unit refunds, turtling works pretty well. However I believe there is still hope for DoW3; Steam workshop seems to allow fan made turretless maps. Moreover, as DoW2: Retribution turned out to be the best in DoW2 series, I put my faith to Relic's wisdom.

well the turretless maps are really bad idea, they are there for a reason as the whole idea is to stop the game rushing
...also that you say that TotalBiscuit helped DoW1 balancing...doesnt say anything as its really broken anyways the mod community had to fix it


also this is the same person who liked ME : andromeda and no man sky ...and those both where horrible shit..and flopped so badly..oh and he hated starcraft2 also (if I remember correctly)...and he is one of the most Hypocritical & egotistical (Amateur) reviewers.

and saying that he lifted his SEGA boycott just to reviews this game doesn't make the situation any better ...it makes it way worse..why? try to figure out for yourself at times.

btw. dow3 lacks creative strategy ? not what I have seen, its just way different from DoW1 or 2...many have done intresting comebacks and other fun strategy. just go watch some PRO rts gamers streams that have played DoW3 MP for a while and you should see.

its funny that u said that "DoW2: Retribution turned out to be the best in DoW2 series" when its the most hated expansion of DoW2...many think that it made DoW2 to MOBA like and broke balancing....yes this same issue..I dont think this but it was really common hate for that expansion.

anyway I like all of those 3 DoW games and some other RTS (more or less) but all of them have problems...and many HUGE ones when they arrived, this isn't just DoW3 problem...people just seem to live in their nostalgia bubble and forgot how much problems those games had (and still have) and what features have been missing day1 (I mean every RTS game not just DoW series)

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