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Quoting: KimyrielleI really wonder why they feel making a Linux port from a working Vulkan render path would still be prohibitive? The biggest obstacle for porting a game to Linux is DirectX. Unless they used some really stupid Windows-only middleware, the remaining work should be trivial enough to justify even selling to a smaller audience. One should think.

Platform abstraction not in mind when they developed for windows / no seperate code path for fullscreen / screen / input handling (sdl2) etc, the MSVC compiler of course is an obstacle and within that the whole build system for the engine.

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Quoting: MohandevirJust adding to the confusion... :)

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Téa

http://www.adagio.com/signature_blend/blend.html?blend=90002

Could be a reference to Geralt infusing in his bath too... Just saying.

Edit: The link is not working but it refers to "Borch's Weapons" (Téa and Véa)

The actual community supported Witcher wiki now lives here. Would be interesting to see Borch, Téa and Véa in some future releases, but they aren't in any current Witcher games ;)

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I really wonder why they feel making a Linux port from a working Vulkan render path would still be prohibitive? The biggest obstacle for porting a game to Linux is DirectX. Unless they used some really stupid Windows-only middleware, the remaining work should be trivial enough to justify even selling to a smaller audience. One should think.

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Quoting: MohandevirJust adding to the confusion... :)

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Téa

http://www.adagio.com/signature_blend/blend.html?blend=90002

Could be a reference to Geralt infusing in his bath too... Just saying.

Edit: The link is not working but it refers to "Borch's Weapons" (Téa and Véa)

All the best with this possibility. May your optimism know no bounds :)

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Too fast. That makes me dizzy :S

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So I'm going to take for granted that the game is not coming to Linux. It could still be an interesting test case for evaluating Vulkan. Surely this will be one of the first games running both DX12 and Vulkan; just testing the two versions against each other on Windows will yield interesting information about the speed of Vulkan, separate from the issues around Linux device driver speed etc.
Of course an ideal test case would be something that ran DX12 or Vulkan on Windows, and also Vulkan on Linux. No doubt one of those will be along in time.

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Actually, they always said they'll look into it after the Vulkan port. So I'm not surprised, but I hoped they had it on the radar by now.

Though, it will be now quite some time after the full release and some expansions.

What I'm questioning myself: Why the Vulkan port if there is no plan for Linux? Porting from DX12 (which they currently use) to Vulkan if you don't release ashes on linux makes zero sense, except they have some other games in the queue on that engine and want to get rid of Microsofts proprietary API, and probably have plans for using MoltenVK or similar for the Mac Port (okay, they could do Vulkan to be able to have the Win7 user base on the same API as the Win10 user base, which would make sense too). I mean no offence, the more developers gather behind Vulkan the better for the open API, because I still have hope that Vulkan will prevail.

If they ever complete Vulkan support for their engine, there may be a Linux version some day. Though, they'll be using MSVC, thus - there will be porting work because we all know that msvc is sometimes different and away from standards compared to clang/llvm. If they didn't use sdl2 or similar it gets even worse, if they don't had platform abstraction in mind when they started.. uff.

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Quoting: Psycic101No Steam login on LoL?

Being worked on, need to get my other account authorised to have a private login key for it, as I don't want to share the GOL Steam login key.

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Quoting: Alm888I don't understand, what all this fuss is about?

"Ashes of Mediocrity"? Are we speaking about that one "DirectX 12 flagship" that was used by Microsoft in its PR campaign? The game that still lacks Vulkan support and was deemed so-so? The one that is practically a DirectX 12 techno-demo?

I just don't get it. What this "title" is doing on this site?

Actually the developer said in the past that supporting DirectX 12 but not Vulkan is not reasonable since the syntax is very close. For that reason people asked if a Linux port will happen and they stayted that may happen. I can't find the source atm since I'm online with my mobile right now.

Also under DirectX 12 AMD relatively outperforms nVidia. A RX 480 beats a 1060 and sometimes 1070. This is caused by using a low level API efficently and I'd hope the same may be possible with Vulkan.

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I hope this works out. All the power to you.

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Quoting: hardpenguinBecause it is not viable. And it is not in gamedevs interest to make it so.

Why isn't it in their interest? Being beholden to MS is not something that developers need.

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Quoting: hardpenguin

Quoting: LeopardTo the all developers ; if you don't support Linux ,of course our base won't grow.

Main problem is ; they want to push only Windows for not to spend time with learning new things and platforms. They're totally cool with possible MS lockdown because they will keep earning pennies ; who cares?

To all the Linux users:

Gamedevs (mostly) don't care. They are not releasing software to push a platform. They are releasing software to earn money.

To the some Linux users who doesn't understand:

We are saying that not supporting Linux builds or not intending to support it anytime and then ,making an excuse of 'Linux is not viable' is just ridiculous.

Because it is not viable. And it is not in gamedevs interest to make it so. The world doesn't revolve around Linux, it's that simple.

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QuoteEasily one of the best games in Early Access right now.

I have to agree.

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No Steam login on LoL?

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: GuestThis will be working just as good in WINE long before they ever release a Linux version.

Vulkan Doom anyone?

Depending on Wine with Vulkan titles is not helpful , just hurts.

Just don't "buy" titles without Linux support.

Why are you jumping to conclusions? I was only making an observation on the situation.
I never said any thing about buying it because it will play in WINE before we get to see a native release.

No , actually this situation is relevant to all of us.

I've just quoted you because you were the first one on this topic , talking about Wine-Vulkan. It's nothing personal or not towards to you specially.

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I don't understand, what all this fuss is about?

"Ashes of Mediocrity"? Are we speaking about that one "DirectX 12 flagship" that was used by Microsoft in its PR campaign? The game that still lacks Vulkan support and was deemed so-so? The one that is practically a DirectX 12 techno-demo?

I just don't get it. What this "title" is doing on this site?

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: M@yeulCEDIT: No way to register with special chars in the username? I must say I am disappointed :(

Nope, we locked that down on GOL ages ago too, pretty sure I emailed you and everyone else asking if we could change your username. Special characters get in the way of certain stuff we might do in future.

Oh, sorry about that. I must have missed your email. Feel free to s/@/a/, I just want to avoid having two different usernames for two somewhat related websites (and would actually like some kind of merged profiles).

Then, I don't think it really comes in the way of some features: usually, a user ID or HTML/HTTP-style escaping would do. But that's your call on this one.

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Quoting: hardpenguin

Quoting: LeopardTo the all developers ; if you don't support Linux ,of course our base won't grow.

Main problem is ; they want to push only Windows for not to spend time with learning new things and platforms. They're totally cool with possible MS lockdown because they will keep earning pennies ; who cares?

To all the Linux users:

Gamedevs (mostly) don't care. They are not releasing software to push a platform. They are releasing software to earn money.

To the some Linux users who doesn't understand:

We are saying that not supporting Linux builds or not intending to support it anytime and then ,making an excuse of 'Linux is not viable' is just ridiculous.

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Quoting: LeopardTo the all developers ; if you don't support Linux ,of course our base won't grow.

Main problem is ; they want to push only Windows for not to spend time with learning new things and platforms. They're totally cool with possible MS lockdown because they will keep earning pennies ; who cares?

To all the Linux users:

Gamedevs (mostly) don't care. They are not releasing software to push a platform. They are releasing software to earn money.

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To the all developers ; if you don't support Linux ,of course our base won't grow.

Main problem is ; they want to push only Windows for not to spend time with learning new things and platforms. They're totally cool with possible MS lockdown because they will keep earning pennies ; who cares?

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QuoteThe challenge with Linux is that the user base has to be sufficient to justify it.

So is it sufficient or not? Apparently not enough, for them not to push it down the list.

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Quoting: Mountain ManIf they had done their job right, they could have had the Linux version out yesterday. When will developers learn that trying back into a Linux port is the wrong way to do it?

But Doom runs better than most ports. Much faster and more stable. And the steam hardware survey identifies wine. But as good as no one plays under wine. Except it is a wineport.

We have to wait, but it could be that with Vulkan simply no more ports are needed. That would be quite great. Perhaps Valve can automatically port the games in the future.

EDIT: The bad thing though is that the publishers do not provide support. But just by not doing this it could be very attractive for them to publish there games with Vulkan. ;)

If you do that ; you will only prove that John Carmack was right.

http://rmitz.org/carmack.on.operating.systems.html

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Quoting: 0aTTFor full price they must give me support.

... on day 1.

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By moments, this game makes me think of PowerSlave / Exhumed.

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Quoting: [email protected]I originally wanted to support this dev. But if they're pushing Linux down the list. They will be going down on our list. Right to the bottom.

It depends. I pay 20 Euro for Doom. That's okay for me. For full price they must give me support.

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I originally wanted to support this dev. But if they're pushing Linux down the list. They will be going down on our list. Right to the bottom.

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Quoting: Mountain ManIf they had done their job right, they could have had the Linux version out yesterday. When will developers learn that trying back into a Linux port is the wrong way to do it?

But Doom runs better than most ports. Much faster and more stable. And the steam hardware survey identifies wine. But as good as no one plays under wine. Except it is a wineport.

We have to wait, but it could be that with Vulkan simply no more ports are needed. That would be quite great. Perhaps Valve can automatically port the games in the future.

EDIT: The bad thing though is that the publishers do not provide support. But just by not doing this it could be very attractive for them to publish there games with Vulkan. ;)

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It may work on Wine, but I won't buy it to run on Wine. So irrelevant really.

The todo list does sound like a case of an endless one. The funny thing is, maybe if they port the game, they would automatically address some of the stability issues.

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If they had done their job right, they could have had the Linux version out yesterday. When will developers learn that trying back into a Linux port is the wrong way to do it?

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Quoting: GuestThis will be working just as good in WINE long before they ever release a Linux version.

Vulkan Doom anyone?

Depending on Wine with Vulkan titles is not helpful , just hurts.

Just don't "buy" titles without Linux support.

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