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As for me, I'm avoid UPlay as plague.
DRM - almost always is bad, 'cause anybody who want to download game for free, could do it. It's just against honest people.
Argh, I still have a few disk with Starforce... which I never could play again.

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This is going to be 3dfx all over again if Mantle takes off.

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Quoting: MajorLunaC

Quoting: godlikeYes we want Ubisoft's support because they are making really good games. DRM no DRM who gives a fudge about this dispute? I just want to have a choice. And if someone doesn't like DRM he can always avoid clicking "buy"... that simple.

That's just it: They're denying choices. In Japan, they already have DRMs that only allow you to play a movie that you BUY (NOT RENT; BUY) only a set number of times on ONLY a single DVD/Blueray player before you can't play the disk anymore, in some cases even "self-destructing" (no boom, just it wont play). Games there have very similar DRMs (like only 1 computer/console). So if anything happens to the player (like X-Box, X-Box 360 often broke), you basically lose ALL your games instantly, no refund

Do you have a link to back all that up? I find this fairly frightening.

I think he may be talking about Flexplay.

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/world-end-economica-complete
ep2 and ep3 being kickstarted. Will be for Linux and Android also.

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Back to my issues: I just got a pretty nasty problem with Mesa 10.3. When in game, the game kind of froze, my monitor displayed an error message saying "no signal", back to the game, back to "no signal", etc. while sound was kindof hacked. Could go to a tty, the machine was completely stuck, had to do a hard reset. So back to Mesa from the Ubuntu repos. Will probably try Catalyst.

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Quoting: edoI thought the desktop environment (or whatever retated to it) does not affect the performance.

I believe the culprit is the compositor. In order to play "Sir/Madam, You Are Being Hunted" I also have to run openbox, but for a different reason - mouse issues.

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Gave it a try again with the Oibaf PPA. Had to remove libgcc from the Steam runtime (32 and 64 bit, as XCOM is 64 bit only − see there for details: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3280). While there is still a bit of stuttering, it works really better with Mesa 10.3.0 from the PPA.

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Quick Gameplay Video

View video on youtube.com

played it about hour or a bit more and no issues noticed.. its a beta that is super stable, for my hardware at least

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleHey all. Just discovered something regarding performance. I'm running Manjaro (Arch-based) with KDE, and with or without compositing the performance is terrible. However, if I switch the window-manager to openbox with "openbox --replace" it improves a lot, even on High settings.

This is very good info. I would like than someone else confirm it too. I thought the desktop environment (or whatever retated to it) does not affect the performance.

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After reading all the reviews on this game, I'm psyched! As soon as it shows a linux version, I'm getting this bad boy!

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QuoteWorld of Tanks is Wargaming, War Thunder is Gaijin (same as Star Conflict). Wargaming have been much more resistive to non Windows platforms.

Not exactly. Wargaming sponsors LVEE for a long time. Also every conference they have some presentations, workshops, etc. Their servers runs GNU/Linux. They contribute a lot to GNU/Linux actually.

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Quoting: GuestLooks like it’s a good game:
http://www.gamespot.com/mount-and-blade-warband/reviews/

It is; played many hours of this via Wine (which works really well actually).

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It is good that they are working to improve their port. It seems even their Mac ports have had some issues: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?553563-Why-does-Paradox-still-use-Virtual-Programming-for-their-Mac-ports.

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After a quick look through a list of Ubisoft's games, I could care less if Ubisoft came to Linux. There were no games that I care to own.

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Quoting: wleoncioThis made me think: why doesn't SteamOS run over openbox instead of GNOME? Do they have plans to use it's graphical interface or something?

IIRC, the GNOME session is completely separate and Steam in Big Picture mode is started without it, with its own compositor (not sure it's used as a WM).

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Quoting: MajorLunaC

Quoting: godlikeYes we want Ubisoft's support because they are making really good games. DRM no DRM who gives a fudge about this dispute? I just want to have a choice. And if someone doesn't like DRM he can always avoid clicking "buy"... that simple.

That's just it: They're denying choices. In Japan, they already have DRMs that only allow you to play a movie that you BUY (NOT RENT; BUY) only a set number of times on ONLY a single DVD/Blueray player before you can't play the disk anymore, in some cases even "self-destructing" (no boom, just it wont play). Games there have very similar DRMs (like only 1 computer/console). So if anything happens to the player (like X-Box, X-Box 360 often broke), you basically lose ALL your games instantly, no refund

Do you have a link to back all that up? I find this fairly frightening.

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Quoting: KelsHmm, looking at the Steam forum for the game, they haven't even considered a FoV control, which these days is no-brainer stuff for a first-person game. Given how many people complain of motion sickness on PC games with low FoV (myself included) this is the sort of thing designers should really stay on top of. But from their priority list as of June 13, they don't even seem to be aware that it's a consideration.

Just as well I read that before I watched much of the video. Close call.

yes.. that default what looks to be 60-70 somewhere between... is just awful and i get motion sickness even by watching the video in fullscreen.

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Hahaha. You made so many wrong assumptions my friend (I was born in mid-80s and I used to spend lots of yours playing games around 2000).

I think you are missing my point. IMHO a system will work properly:
1. When that system provides a huge amount of choices, good and bad.
2. When that system has the means to auto-correct itself.
3. When the majority stake of that system is the one to define it's trends but not the only one.

I am not saying that DRM is good _but_ there are multiple layers of DRM. By presenting the worst case of DRM (Japan) you mislead and create FUD.

What I am saying is that we want multiple choices. If us, the users, are not happy with Ubisoft's DRM we will not give them our money. For example, I wanted to play Crysis 3 so badly. The fact that it was only on Origin kept me away and as far as I know many people did the same.

Linux is the definition of an open system so it's easy to auto-correct itself. We just need multiple support from big and small companies and everything will work just fine.

Quoting: MajorLunaC

Quoting: godlikeYes we want Ubisoft's support because they are making really good games. DRM no DRM who gives a fudge about this dispute? I just want to have a choice. And if someone doesn't like DRM he can always avoid clicking "buy"... that simple.

That's just it: They're denying choices. In Japan, they already have DRMs that only allow you to play a movie that you BUY (NOT RENT; BUY) only a set number of times on ONLY a single DVD/Blueray player before you can't play the disk anymore, in some cases even "self-destructing" (no boom, just it wont play). Games there have very similar DRMs (like only 1 computer/console). So if anything happens to the player (like X-Box, X-Box 360 often broke), you basically lose ALL your games instantly, no refund.

Things seem to be headed in the same direction in the USA and other places. You must be young, or at least ignorant, and you haven't experienced the Golden Age of Gaming that was the whole of the 90s to early 2000s. Games used to be reasonable prices back then, even for big hit popular games, brand new were $9.00 to $29.99 (same with movies). To people who actually understand what DRM is and is doing, it means the company is telling you "This game/movie is MINE and only MINE, even if you buy it! I get to do with it whatever I want with it, even after you buy it! I can take it away at any time! You're just borrowing it for an exact amount of time that I set, for a hefty price! You're a criminal by default; guilty until proven innocent (which is NEVER, BWAHAHA!)! You deserve it you thieving pirate scum!" You can think of it as even worse than Harry Potter goblin's ideology of ownership.

And it's only gonna get worse. Trust me, I've played plenty of Ubisoft and EA games before, and they have been getting worse and worse in terms of games and DRM. I understand the allure, but I stopped playing because I wasn't allowed to play them anymore, and again the game quality was getting horrible. If you really want to play the games, at least cheap-boycott them: wait until the game gets old and the price comes down to $9.00 - $19.99 (actually the reasonable prices). Play games one generation behind in the mean time; They're MUCH better anyway, and what's the problem in waiting?

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleI'm running Manjaro (Arch-based) with KDE, and with or without compositing the performance is terrible. However, if I switch the window-manager to openbox with "openbox --replace" it improves a lot, even on High settings.

This made me think: why doesn't SteamOS run over openbox instead of GNOME? Do they have plans to use it's graphical interface or something?

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Will definitely get this one. Hard to resist buying it now as it is 66% off though..

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Hey all. Just discovered something regarding performance. I'm running Manjaro (Arch-based) with KDE, and with or without compositing the performance is terrible. However, if I switch the window-manager to openbox with "openbox --replace" it improves a lot, even on High settings.

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No Seg faults.

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Hmm, looking at the Steam forum for the game, they haven't even considered a FoV control, which these days is no-brainer stuff for a first-person game. Given how many people complain of motion sickness on PC games with low FoV (myself included) this is the sort of thing designers should really stay on top of. But from their priority list as of June 13, they don't even seem to be aware that it's a consideration.

Just as well I read that before I watched much of the video. Close call.

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To be fair, they were not referring to Linux piracy in the article.

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Heard always good critics about M&T..porting done certainly going to put its name on my steam!

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Interesting thread here. My 2 cents' worth is that, yes, when I was a Windows gamer, I pirated game after game. Since I started using GNU/Linux with Ubuntu 8.04, I have paid for every program or game that has had a price attached to it. There are times when Steam's necessity to be online is a pain, but it's something I can live with, if it means that programmers aren't being ripped off (I'm speaking mostly of indie games, not those from Big Companies).

I'm among those who think that Steam for Linux has been good for our beloved OS. Gabe Newell's evangelization for Linux on the desktop has had some pretty far-reaching influence, more than (gasp) Linus Torvalds or RMS has, in fact. I have heard some complaints about indie crappy games being far too prevalent in Steam's Linux offerings, but listen to a Windows gamer complain about indie crappy games. The bitterness!

Oh, and yes, there were some amazing games that came out in the so-called Golden Age of Gaming, and most of them seem to available on GOG.com, and many are very playable using (usually) PlayOnLinux. When GOG rolls out their Linux collection, I'm sure that there'll be DOSBox wrappers and SCUMM, just as there are for Windows games which require them. It maybe that those games that they sell that do have Linux clients will offer native versions. GOG is owned by RedProjekt, which promises zero DRM, even with their upcoming online service.

Enough rambling, I guess!

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Quoting: MajorLunaCYou must be young, or at least ignorant, and you haven't experienced the Golden Age of Gaming that was the whole of the 90s to early 2000s.

Even people who were there at the time do not seem to remember what it was like back then. Everyone seems to have such short memories.

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Quoting: DannyEAs, Ubis and the rest of the bloated fat douchebags of the industry can go take a hike.
I dont want them anywhere near my precious kernels.

/signed

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Quoting: PKMplHonestly what is the problem, I hear complaining about Uplay all the time, all because it takes a bit longer now to launch games? Their optimisation also seems normal to me, although like I said, I play games after they get patched up.

If you hear many complains, it's good signal that that thing is actually broken, isn't it?

I bought only one UPlay-reqiring game and luckily, it was in Steam sale, so I wasted only 5$ or so. UPlay service went down as usual when sale, new game, full moon or pretty much anything else happens and stayed dead for entire weekend. But that mattered little for me, as I never actually reached past login window. And by never I mean to this day, about two years later. Ubisoft support was really nice, communicative, and manually-automated, so they closed my case as "firewall problem" after few mails. Thus I never actually managed to run that game... Well, I did, but only after downloading it from TPB.

And, well, according to Steam forum, I'm not first guy to get this problem. I'm not even in first thousand. And that's only one of many ways how U-Don't-Play can prevent you from playing game that you bought. Good reason for many complains, isn't it?

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Quoting: OrkultusCant get that game to work worth a damn on my system. No idea why. My system can run just about anything else amazingly.

Does it seg fault?

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