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Quoting: FTW

Quoting: Anonymousamd sucks. I hope they go out of business. I really do.

I agree with others, if they go out of bussiness, Nvidia has nothing to worry about

You're not being clear here. Are you saying you WANT them to go out of business because Nvidia have nothing to worry about or are you talking about it being an issue due to lack of competition and Nvidia have nothing to worry about.

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OpenGL is not consistent because the drivers are not consistent. Fix the driver issues and you fix most of the problems with OpenGL.

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I think that the discussion is good for Linux and OpenGL. I don't think that OpenGL is broken per se (but I am just a dabbler), I think it just didn't see that much love.

For years there was practically no interest in OpenGL & Linux games, it was a second/third class citizen. And now there is a lot of traction. I will still take a couple of months, some guides, improvements of drivers, ...

Look at Mesa/Open source driver quality/speed. Phoronix has some articles, performance has increased vastly in the last 2 years.

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OpenGL is broken and different on earch platform ??
It will be difficult to have AAA games on Linux...

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If fraxis would have gotten some one from nvidia then they wouldn't have too many issues with opengl. As it stands anyone from AMD regarding OpenGL is no expert with it and AMD/ATI's track record on the horrid OpenGL drivers is proof of that. And the fact that he is promoting mantle proves that his opinion is biased towards AMD. How can anyone believe that AMD can handle their own API when they have so many issues with one that has been around for years. This is nothing but AMD's way to try and push mantle onto people and developers. Mantle is broke by design because its developed by AMD. The best thing that AMD can do is break off the graphics card division and make processors again.

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Quoting: storma

Quoting: Anonymousamd sucks. I hope they go out of business. I really do.

Agreed, The Nvidia open source drivers are heaps better.

Oh, please let this be sarcasm. :'(

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Quoting: Anonymousamd sucks. I hope they go out of business. I really do.

I agree with others, if they go out of bussiness, Nvidia has nothing to worry about, I mean, Intel isn't exactly a beast when it comes to graphics cards.

I say vote with your wallet, don't buy AMD for Linux systems, if the Steam machines kick off they might see that they are loosing some market.

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Have noted that reply in the article!

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I think after reading it a bit that this guy probably knows a lot about DX but less about advanced OGL.
Timothy Lottes has already corrected some of his points:

http://timothylottes.blogspot.com.es/2014/05/re-joshua-barczaks-opengl-is-broken.html

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Quoting: sgtGarciaThimothy Lottes responds:
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Who is that guy exactly? I've seen someone link to him before, but no idea who he is.

Seems like he work at Epic Games : http://schedule.gdconf.com/speaker/lottes-timothy.19788

And Epic Games are an important member of the Khronos Group (as important as NVIDIA and AMD).

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Quoting: Silviu@liam dude, serisouly? Google him and find out who he is... (hint: works for Epic)

Seriously what? There's multiple Timothy Lottes who come up in google and the blog doesn't state exactly who he is.

Don't make stupid "google him" comments.

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People always complain about AMD's proprietary driver but those same people who complain don't ever seem to talk about AMD's open source driver, almost as if it does not exist to them. These folks do know that AMD offers 2 drivers and that if the proprietary driver doesn't do it for them, they should first try the open source driver before flipping out and switching to Nvidia, right?

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I see a LOT of complaining and little done in order to fix what's broken. These guys work (or used to work) for companies directly involved in Khronos. All it takes is for those companies to show interest and steer OpenGL where it needs to be headed instead of taking the lazy way of waiting on Microsoft and others to implement X technology.

@liam dude, serisouly? Google him and find out who he is... (hint: works for Epic)

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Quoting: liamdaweWho is that guy exactly? I've seen someone link to him before, but no idea who he is.

He worked at Nvidia for some time if I remember correctly.

EDIT:

He worked @ Nvidia but now He is working @ Epic Games

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Quoting: sgtGarciaThimothy Lottes responds:
Your text to link here...

Who is that guy exactly? I've seen someone link to him before, but no idea who he is.

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Thimothy Lottes responds:
Timothy Lottes blogspot

P.S.
We have to remember that OpenGL for many years was treated like 3rd world citizen.

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ATI/AMD drivers have always performed badly. I remember the happy day when they released their first linux driver, but I soon realized that they really didn't care about linux and switched to nvidia. Though they have made some progress. Now days you can actually install the driver and it works with out the community having to patch it first.

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Note that this so called NVidia performance (in absolutely artificial benchmarks, not actual games) is only achieved by having a tumor of privative code running kernelside.

I say no thanks, my AMD card runs all my Steam Linux games just fine with Mesa3d.

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you never played megaman ?

maybe you should hit up znes and try megaman X for a few bosses :D

so looking forward for this new successor to come to linux :)

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It's also available at the Humble Store which seems to include a DRM-free version, but don't get fooled as I did! There are only DRM-free versions for Windows and Mac, not for Linux! I contacted the HB support team to no avail until now (I should've gone straight to the developers, I guess...)

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Quoting: tmtvlI'd like to see that benchmark being done with the FOSS drivers, I don't think the results be this cut and dry.
The FOSS drivers should be the only ones that matter anyway, if you use proprietary drivers you might as well run Windows.

I will be doing more FOSS radeon benchmarks very soon to coincide with mesa 10.2

Also it's very true that radeon MUST also be tested in these sort of benchmarks.

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I'd like to see that benchmark being done with the FOSS drivers, I don't think the results be this cut and dry.
The FOSS drivers should be the only ones that matter anyway, if you use proprietary drivers you might as well run Windows.

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EDIT - Here you go;

http://www.slitherine.com/my_page/steam_serials

which is mentioned on;

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=173&t=49705

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If you already own it, you can get a steam key for it as well. Not 100% how.

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49704

Its mentioned in the first post.

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I (a happy Witcher 2 player) also play the original Witcher using wine, and it runs beautifully, and is 100% playable for me. Having played it under That Other OS, I saw and experienced no difference in graphics, game speed, or graphics.

As long as I can play a game, I personally don't care how the game is made to run. Just sayin'.

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Quoting: neffo

Quoting: Gentleman SquidI just wish they supported their cards in Linux a lot more. Been like this for too long. Performance with NVidia and Linux has been smoother for a while now.

It's not just Linux they are doing a terrible job on, it's also terrible on Windows (in OpenGL). idTech5 engines for example.

That's not true. AMD is superior on Windows.

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Ok, so the difference is obvious. Still, I'm kind of sick of people saying that 100 minus 647% equals anything but -547.

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Who's that in the crew roster at 7:48?

As usual, if anybody spots me in their game, I'd love to see a screenshot of my death!

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Unfortunately, results like these aren't so cut and dry. I'll look over the details of each test in a few days, but quite often there are little things, from buffer sizes to vertex formats, which greatly sway test results in one direction or another.
Anyone posting such numbers should be aware of this.

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I tested a game that uses this version of Unity and the mouse was perfectly fine, so it looks like it may have fixed it for real.

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