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Quoting: ApopasEvery one of these advertisew itslef as an ACTION RPG, true?
Action RPGs are the ones which role playing is from little to not existing at all.
True RPGs are the ones with focus on Roleplaying.

See my post, you are always playing a role. I don't know what you mean by "focus on roleplaying", focus..how?

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QuoteClicked all of your links and not one looked like the other. What is a true RPG anyway? A computer RPG? There are many different types of RPGs but that one seems to be one of if not the original definition of a RPG, as opposed to an action RPG, a strategy RPG, and so on.

Every one of these advertises itself as an ACTION RPG, true?
Action RPGs are the ones which role playing is from little to not existing at all.
True RPGs are the ones with focus on Roleplaying.

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Quoting: ApopasNo room for true RPGs anymore :(

What is a true RPG? There is no such thing, what one person considers a true RPG another will not.

When it boils down to it any-game you play as a single character is an RPG, since it stands for Role Playing Game, playing as a character is playing that role, so...yeah.

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It looks fantastic!

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This looks like it will help more developers bring native builds of their games, while still allowing them to use the development tools they are familiar with. I think this is fantastic, and if it provides a robust, familiar development environment, coupled with solid, performant, native builds, then it's definitely worth supporting.

If there are example projects, then someone could build a simple unit-test & benchmarking suite for platform comparison, especially 3D acceleration. That could also be used for community regression testing. I think that such a project might help dispell the sentiment that effort spent here is intended to build a glorified node-webkit, when that couldn't be farther from the truth.

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Quoting: ApopasYet another one ACTION RPG like this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one... And all these from 2014 threads only and we still have March...
No room for true RPGs anymore :(

Clicked all of your links and not one looked like the other. What is a true RPG anyway? A computer RPG? There are many different types of RPGs but that one seems to be one of if not the original definition of a RPG, as opposed to an action RPG, a strategy RPG, and so on.

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ROCCAT will be next on my mouse purchase list. I need to buy a high-frequency polling mouse for game engine testing, anyway.

It looks like their MK series of keyboards use Cherry switches. I do not own one, but that's what it says on the ROCCAT website.

Quoting: DrMcCoyI'll protect my IBM Model M keyboard with my life, though.

Sadly, mine died years ago, and no replacement was readily available. I've since switched to a Cherry MX Blue based board, and I love it. It's no Model M, but after spending six months on membrane, the song of my blue switches was sheer joy!

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Yet another one ACTION RPG like this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one... And all these from 2014 threads only and we still have March...
No room for true RPGs anymore :(

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Quoting: DrMcCoyHaxe and OpenFL feel clutchy

It sounds a bit like you think Haxe/OpenFL apps are just a Flash projector or browser-wrapper around a Flash file. If so, I can see why that would make you hesitant to support it. Being a dev stuck in that mode right now, it's not something I want to perpetuate.

However, Haxe and OpenFL (a lib for Haxe) generate native apps for each platform. No browser-js, Flash projectors, Wine wrapper, AIR doodads, etc.

If you already knew that, I apologize! Also, if I have my facts wrong, feel free to correct me!

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QuoteBy now they give me the hardware

I hope they also give him the sources to their new drivers so he doesn't have to reverse them as well. :)

Me, I've got a generic 20€ Logitech mouse; I don't really care that much about mice. I'll protect my IBM Model M keyboard with my life, though.

EDIT: Eh, ROCCAT keyboards just use generic dome-switch keys? Meh.

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Haxe and OpenFL feel clutchy, like "supporting" cross-platform programs by letting your code run in Javascript browsers thanks to cross-compiling using Emscripten, or bundling your new games with a wine wrapper.

I'm fine with them for making old, unsupported games run on Linux, but they really shouldn't be seen as a viable platform for new projects.

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this is why i completely switched to ROCCAT few years ago. having Kova+ mouse and Arvo Keyboard.
just amazing stuff...
still thinking about getting their mechanical keyboard.. a bit expensive but might be well worth it...

Stefan has always been helpful in the help discussions on sourceforge when i have needed some help or asked about something.
thank you Stefan Achatz
and also thank you ROCCAT for giving this man the hardware to do such stuff.

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I bought a roccat Kone pure, because of linux support. I had some issue with ubuntu driver version at the beginning, so I sent a message to Stephane which replied to me within the hour :-) Again thanks for your help and work Stephan. Keep up the good work ;-)

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Quoting: The Futuresecond they will still be operating independently from facebook

So they claim. I don't believe a word of it.

Quoting: The Futurefacebook is more of a bank

Seriously? That's naive bullshit.

And if they wanted to do that, they could just have lended them money / invested in their company.

Quoting: The Futurefirst of all they still are a business

Facebook is. Oculus isn't anymore.

Quoting: The Futureif they are in it to make a quick buck but you can't get mad they are a company

Oh hell I can get mad.

Politically, I'm pretty far left, sympathising with communism even. Just take a guess what I think of people making a quick buck to the detriment of others.

Quoting: The Futurethe past isn't a window to the future just because facebook has messed up in the past doesn't mean that they will in the future

What. the. hell.

Let me get this straight:

A person or a company messes up 1000 times, and at the 1001st time, you would still let it do as it pleases because "the past isn't a window to the future"?

Are in the habit of wiring Nigerian princes your money? Do you answer those mails that promise you a easy work-at-home jobs that $5000 a week? When someone in the street tries to sell you a "genuine" Rolex, do you buy it?

Quoting: The Futurewhen and if facebook messes up then you can jump on the fuck you facebook train

They have already messed up. A lot of times. If, this time, they behave, it would be an exception, not the rule.

Quoting: The Futurei will be there too

Yes, you will be the rube who just paid $1000 for a $5 fake Rolex.
That you're suspicious of the person running away with your money then won't help anyone.

Quoting: The Futurejust like i said the past is not a window for the future

Bullshit. Past behaviour is a very good predictor for future behaviour.

A partner hitting you is a severe red flag that this person is abusive and that you should get the hell away from them. A person with a history of not paying back borrowed money is not something you should lend more to. You probably shouldn't leave a dry alcoholic alone when they're depressed or stressed.

The same holds true for companies. When a company known for abusing patent law buys a certain patent, you should watch out.

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Indeed, it's not a perfect situation. We'd like the future to be here already, but we're still busy building it. When Haxe/OpenFL matures, we'll be able to leave Flash/AIR behind once and for all, and putting together this bundle to raise money for those causes is a part of that initiative, to bring truly native cross-platform development, built entirely on open source tools, to linux and other platforms.

And if you don't want to play games with Flash/AIR... that's fine, I get that, feel free to skip this bundle, I'll support you in that. I just want to explain our motives.

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For the "I hate flash" crowd:

Some of those game still require Flash and or Air even if they are built with tools that give you the option not to output to Flash. This was a decision the developer made for one reason or another.

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His work is actually the reason I bought a roccat mouse last year. His software seems to be quite close to the windows versions in terms of functionality.

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*Unreal Tournament Voice* IMPRESSIVE!

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Quoting: plazmamaybe it will come to linux ? bah:'(

We will have to wait till after the game launches, but what he said sounds quite encouraging, don't you think?

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the future
if partnering with Facebook

No, stop right there. They are not "partnering" with Facebook; that's PR bullshit. They have been bought by Facebook.

Yes and no they have and haven't first of the deal hasn't gone through yet but that is to little concern because it will still most likely go through. second they will still be operating independently from facebook as far as we have been told facebook is more of a bank that will let them hire more people and try new things with VR for now this could change in the future.

the future
helps them out then we need to give them the chance to prove this was the correct decision.

From a cynical, capitalistic perspective, this might have been the correct decision. The people at Oculus made a quick buck, the original Kickstarter supported and developers be damned.

first of all they still are a business and if they are in it to make a quick buck but you can't get mad they are a company but i don't see it like that and in the end its all about how you view it. to me it seems like they are taking this seriously the money they got from kickstarter was a good thing and they could have made a final product with that money however it will most likely have been worse than the one they will release now however we cannot truly know. but because of this deal they can now
1 get custom parts for these devices not spare parts so price will drop for the consumer and the overall ability of the finished product will go up
2 have the ability to experiment more with VR technology and try new things which is good for us in the end.
3 hire new people to speed up development
4 the past isn't a window to the future just because facebook has messed up in the past doesn't mean that they will in the future(almost all companies mess up so you can't take it out on the companies).
5 when and if facebook messes up then you can jump on the fuck you facebook train and trust me i will be there too but you can't jump on the train at this point because its way too early to see what will happen

Yes, just like what was said for, for example, Beluga, which, oh wonder, was shut down a few months later when the original team was moved to work on Facebook Messenger.

It's like everyone has amnesia or something. Just look at what great new stuff they created after they aquired Storylane; or drop.io. What, nothing, you say? Oh, right.

just like i said the past is not a window for the future we can't assume nothing will come of it until it does then we can storm the facebook headquarters

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maybe it will come to linux ? bah:'(

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i just read my message. I am tired...
1) Roccat 5.1 headset needs usb as power source and does NOT act as DAC
2) Torchlight doesn't support more than 2 buttons. Metro support couple more, but not all. That's where rebinding keys comes handy, i just bind keyboard buttons to actions. It's confusing to assign keys later, but better than not using em later on. Issue not with Roccat here but with devs of games in question.

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I Didn't read article yet.

I have 2 mice and earphones.
5.1 surround nearnesses are not that great imho, but don't require drivers, as they are analogue.(i am not audiophile, they seem to offer relatively good value for money and are only ones i saw that come with DAC, aka USB sound card, which i refuse to use with my Asus Xonair DX in my main board)

1 wireless mouse i had was pretty bad for gamer, i gave it to my mommy for laptop.

Bow i also have Kone+ from em.

FUCK, THIS SHIT IS AWESOME!
First and yet last mouse that has native profiling, colour management, button rebinding(especially useful in games which use old SDL or some library and ignore more than 2 mouse buttons), sensitivity management. It's just awesome! Must have for linux gamer.

Binding mouse buttons is crucial for gamer. I actively use 7 buttons on mouse. For example, Torchlight doesnt support more than buttons. Same as Metro Last light does not recognize a few.

Stefan Achatz, I owe you a beer or 5. If ever to come to Gorlitz or some other place where i will live in - lemme know ;) my email is drjoms AT gmail

dimko

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For the "I hate flash" crowd:
First, read this article:
http://gamasutra.com/blogs/LarsDoucet/20140318/213407/Flash_is_dead_long_live_OpenFL.php

Haxe/OpenFL/FlashDevelop all contribute towards a development pipeline that is our best hope for entirely replacing flash. By moving our Actionscript code to Haxe (a similar but superior, and 100% open source) language, and leveraging OpenFL's mirroring of the Flash API, we can compile our games, *natively* for C++.

As for EvoLand -- that's created by Nicolas Cannasse, the *creator* of the Haxe language. Right now it's outputted to AIR, but it's actually written in Haxe so it will likely come to linux in the future, as soon as he can build out the 3D Api's for haxe so that they mirror in OpenGL the stage3D calls he's using right now.

Here's Nicolas' open source report card:
http://osrc.dfm.io/ncannasse

And here's the 3d library in question:
https://github.com/ncannasse/h3d/tree/heaps

Here's my open source report card for the record:
http://osrc.dfm.io/larsiusprime

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I have been following this for awhile and now this news, awesome

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I love to support open source but I fundamentally hate anything involving Flash. The fact that more than one of the games in that bundle requires Adobe Air or Flash makes me angry. I'm sure they are great games but I hate Adobe with a passion.

I know some of these guys have been working on their stuff for so long that Flash and Air once sounded good, but what happened is Adobe proved they don't stand behind their products.

Hope the devs make some money on the sale but it won't be mine.

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INSTANT BUY!
This is exactly the kind of game I like :)

I ll wait for the Linux version of course ;)

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SOLD

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Quoting: RattleheadIf I remember right, devs was promised to make a linux-port of Evoland, aren't they?

I have reached out to the developer for clarification.

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If I remember right, devs was promised to make a linux-port of Evoland, aren't they?

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