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Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7266, member: 1"Yeah it could have been split but since it's all based around a similar thing i thought it was worth putting it together. Will look at splitting the article itself to indicate the separate issues though :)

Edit > Added headings :)

Article Updated to include links to show info about Steel Storm developer being unhappy with Humble. Also updated to include a note under second heading that it's not directly related to the first one. In future I will just split articles.

Also note Team Meat aren't pricks since it's two people, Tommy the programmer is the douche making the horrible Linux comments, according to cheeseness Edmund is actually alright.

Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 7266, member: 1"Yeah it could have been split but since it's all based around a similar thing i thought it was worth putting it together. Will look at splitting the article itself to indicate the separate issues though

There is more clarification in this post:
http://www.formspring.me/EdmundM/q/406960226210700795

This article is an disgrace. I'm ashamed by reading this thing on gamingonlinux. Not only it's ad hominem it is a stupid one.

I think that attack on Tommys character was completely unnecessary, after all, it doesn't matter if he likes Linux or not. The problem at hand is the fact that Canonical profited from distribution of copyrighted material without permission of the owner. Painting Tommy(and Team Meat as collateral) as Linux enemy doesn't change that. Furthermore for me, it feels like attempt to smear the blame on all people involved(to lessen the blame on Canonical). It feels like a try to portrait Team Meat claims as an attack of malicious outsider on the one of us(Canonical).
It reeks with "us vs. them" mentality and it only widens gap between game developers and linux community.

I'm sorry for this harsh words but I felt so outraged by this article that I couldn't stay silent.

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We don't exactly have another good game like it though from what i've seen.

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Quoting: "Bumadar, post: 7261, member: 93"Liam, your sort of doing 2 things in this post which you should not mix imho.

1 USC sold a game it was not allowed
2 Tommy does not like Linux and what it stands for but hib converted the game

those are separate issues, the 1st is simply wrong by USC and it does not mater if it happen to a pro or non-pro linux person, the 2nd is 1 persons opinion about Linux and the fact that to get onto hib he forgot all those things :)

Yeah it could have been split but since it's all based around a similar thing i thought it was worth putting it together. Will look at splitting the article itself to indicate the separate issues though :)

Edit > Added headings :)

Article Updated to include links to show info about Steel Storm developer being unhappy with Humble. Also updated to include a note under second heading that it's not directly related to the first one. In future I will just split articles.

Also note Team Meat aren't pricks since it's two people, Tommy the programmer is the one stated making the horrible Linux comments, according to cheeseness Edmund is actually alright.

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So basically Team Meat doesn't give a fuck about GNU/Linux, Canonical doesn't give a fuck about Team Meat.
Good thing I don't give a fuck about any of them. xD

That Team Meat are pricks, unworthy of support and bad developers aren't exactly news either.
That Canonical are pricks, unworthy of supp... Oh wait.
Anyway, this just made my day. Thanks for the report. :D

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Quoting: "Bumadar, post: 7261, member: 93"Liam, your sort of doing 2 things in this post which you should not mix imho.

1 USC sold a game it was not allowed
2 Tommy does not like Linux and what it stands for but hib converted the game

those are separate issues, the 1st is simply wrong by USC and it does not mater if it happen to a pro or non-pro linux person, the 2nd is 1 persons opinion about Linux and the fact that to get onto hib he forgot all those things :)

What needs to be remembered about 2 is that they still didn't care in the least afterwards, did not distribute their port anywhere (until USC) and did not even bother to get it fixed, since it still doesn't have the community feature working.

And the situation with USC is still unclear, obviously.

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i think i shall be careful to avoid this prick in future.
i suggest you not support them in the future too.

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Quoting: "Anon, post: 7260"A nice summary about what (probably) happened.

Thanks for that.

Still, Edmund's "wasnt a good fit for the Ubuntu store" worries me. Didn't it fit, because of it's quality or is Canonical going to be a dictator of taste (like Apple)?

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Liam, your sort of doing 2 things in this post which you should not mix imho.

1 USC sold a game it was not allowed
2 Tommy does not like Linux and what it stands for but hib converted the game

those are separate issues, the 1st is simply wrong by USC and it does not mater if it happen to a pro or non-pro linux person, the 2nd is 1 persons opinion about Linux and the fact that to get onto hib he forgot all those things :)

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Quoting: "alexThunder, post: 7259, member: 146"WTF? Did Canonical keep all the money from the SMB sales? And is the rejection of Isaac really because it "wasnt a good fit for the Ubuntu store", or is it just what Edmund thinks?

I really hope Canonical can clearify things.

Here's what I can tell so far - Isaac was submitted around the same time it was in the Voxatron debut, because it wasn't good enough - which is true if you think about the quality of the port and the fact that it's barely playable on Linux. Edmund has kept a grudge ever since about this, but wanted to give it a try with SMB when they were included in HIBV. Humble provided Canonical all the games and further info, and Canonical was further contacted by most of the devs about the inclusion, which meant it all worked out. The ones that didn't contact them were Team Meat - they expressed interest, but for whatever reason thought that Canonical would come to them.

Now at this point Canonical must have misunderstood the deal that was made, in the sense that Humble actually has already pretty much gotten the devs to agree to this. What actually happened was different, but because of this Canonical put it on the USC. Now where the sales money went is still unclear, I'd wait regarding this until proper statements.

Now, before the following part happens, Edmund finds out that SMB is on the USC. He doesn't act upon it though.

Fast-forward a few months and we've got HIB7, again the same deal is made, however one can assume that in the mean time Canonical has learned more. Now again, all the devs agree, except for Team Meat, which this time did get in contact with Canonical, once again not telling them they don't actually have the agreement. Canonical puts a little statement below the page for redeeming about why DD and BoI isn't there. Edmund thinks they're trying to put the blame on him and reveals they're not allowed to distribute SMB. Canonical has since pulled SMB, since they finally are actually aware this has happened.

That's what more or less has went down. I assume that since then, Edmund has gotten in contact with Canonical (for once) and they're trying to clear the issues up.

And here's my thoughts - all three parties (Team Meat, Canonical, Humble) are in some way responsible for this. Team Meat however hasn't really helped this by handling it like this instead of actually trying to solve the issue. Obviously Canonical didn't handle it too well by assuming, but I'd jot that up to a misunderstanding and inexperience with this sort of thing. I hope this can be soon resolved, for the sake of all the sides.

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Well, Tommy is same guy, who said, that every triple A game is shit.

You should just ignore him. Stupid people only keep on yelling crap as long someone listens.

But back to topic:

WTF? Did Canonical keep all the money from the SMB sales? And is the rejection of Isaac really because it "wasnt a good fit for the Ubuntu store", or is it just what Edmund thinks?

I really hope Canonical can clearify things.

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Essentially, it's the same issue as it was with Steel-Storm - it was a misunderstanding and the dev instead of directly contacting the maintainers just decided to go screaming about it.

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Also, he's stated already that they noticed some time back but didn't act upon it. Which means that they are as much at fault here.

And here's some more: [URL='http://4ms.me/UT3Vu6']http://4ms.me/UT3Vu6 [/URL]http://4ms.me/VZUatf

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I now feel bad for giving them their share of money in the humble bundles i bought.
Next time if they are going to be on a humble indie bundle i'll make sure that neither me or any of my friends will let some money go to these clowns.
You don't want my money? Fine, so you don't get it.
I wish them good luck with their carreer if this is how they treath their customers.

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… what can you do about it, there are intelligent, open-minded and respectful people in the word. And then there are others.
This guy doesn't take many risk acting as a jerk about linux gaming and philosophy, because it's marginal.

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Erm, that quote is from ReMixx. Who is a moderator, not a dev.

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Awesome thank you, please do keep spreading the word :D

If someone could reddit it as well I would appreciate it I don't want to put too much on reddit.

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QuoteSame story as Mac, has to be enough people willing to buy it to justify the cost of porting and supporting it on Linux. I'd love to see it on Linux, although I'd still play on Windows for now.

This makes me think about how developers see Wine/dualboot users as if they didn't want the game ported to GNU/Linux, they're buying it anyway. Like they don't care about what their users want, already got their money.

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backed (not much tho, damn december).
also posted the link on #steamlug freenode.irc (dunno how much help that is tho usualy 90+ memebers)

hope this site lasts long.
The best Linux Gaming News site i have seen so far!

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i have had many times close to pressing the buy button on this title on steam, but then i always thought that i have to run it through wine and there probably are some server (protection systems) issues and what not so i always gave up on it.
if it really comes to linux some day. then there is no excuse to not to buy it.

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Quoting: "Rustybolts, post: 7247, member: 13"Cheers for info! This game is a shoot em up similar in style to geometry wars

I have never played geometry wars, but I just downloaded the demo and played it.

And related, if anyone knows, is this 32-bit only like the demo? The demo worked quite badly for me, with no sound, a few crashes and so on.

With that said, I'll probably get it either way and just report all the bugs to the devs if I find any. But I don't want to look for my debit now, how long does this sale last?

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Cheers for info! This game is a shoot em up similar in style to geometry wars

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Thank you for the kind words!

If we even hit enough to cover a few months it all helps and I am grateful to all who do pledge their support.

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While I'm not personally interested in this, it'd be great to see it on Linux.

Still, it does seem like Steam has suddenly changed the whole field. I mean come on, I don't think anyone here has expected this a year ago, UE3, Source, Unity, and so on.

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I just noticed this and was going to buy this. Also, Tiny & Big has a lovely sale on their website for $3.25, which gets you Lin+Win+Mac and a Steam key (which also has Linux now, I think).

Btw., I was just wondering, what kind of a game is this? Because frankly, the reason I'm getting it is the price right now and nothing else.

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This website is awesome, the most complete and up2date I have seen about linux games. I'm very pleased to help even if I can't give much. Let's see if linux users are as generous as humble bundle statistics let appear :p

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Thank you it all helps! Indiegogo offer flexible funding which we are using so we get all funds even if we don't hit the final goal. It's why I dislike Kickstarter since even if they are £1 off their final goal they don't get a penny.

This website is for this month averaging to hit 40,000 unique visitors so I would say it is reachable if enough people share it on their favourite websites and networks :)

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Is there at least enough people consulting this website to get to 600? I'm the best donor yet, we just reached the amazing amount of 4 youpie lol

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sad this got funded... sorry but not seen anything good from Molyneux in ages, its funded because of his name

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Seems like if you want it it's best to chime in on that forum post -> http://www.chivalrythegame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7474

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Heh I have the same offer sitting in my inbox at the moment!

The new site originally planned for end of the month but been so busy with holiday preparations its not quite as good as I want it to be so in putting a target for end of January but hopefully sooner.

Got to put in article and forum post reply subscription amongst other things like "share this article to twitter, fb etc" and other minor issues.

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