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[LEFT]Well, it looks quite boring and unappealing. Hence the frowny. :([/LEFT]
[LEFT]Wish we could have an exciting 3D platformer like Banjo Kazooie.[/LEFT]

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looks quiet fun actually, lets hope it makes it, it's not a huge amount compared to many of the kickstarters but it seems to have a slow start.

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My view is that I don't like DRM and I don't think I will register with Steam because of this. Anyway, I'm happy it pleases others and I hope it gives a boost to gaming on GNU/Linux so we get more games ported out of Steam.

About the other issue some people have over GNU/Linux, I don't mind using that name, not the best name maybe, but I'm not against it. It's not just a way to raise awareness on important issues but it's also a way of differentiating the kernel project from the distro. Android has/uses/is a derivative of Linux but it's not GNU/Linux. It reminds me a lot of the problem with Debian and Ubuntu. Ubuntu is a Debian derivative, but Ubuntu is not Debian. You can read this a lot on Debian support channels.

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Why the sad face?

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:(

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Quoting: "Anon, post: 5941"I just realized I've got a very weak and sub-par machine. Hopefully that qualifies me for it, since they want a huge range of machines.

See:

Quoting: "Cheeseness, post: 5938, member: 122"Actually, the Valve guys had said in comments on the recent blog post that they wanted as broad a selection of hardware and software configurations as they could get. Perhaps that'll work in your favour ^_^

:)

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other distro selected, but then the gfx driver was weird, could only select via ubuntu repo so picked manual

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Sent mine in, i hope they publish stats on how many people sign up for it that would be very interesting to see.

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I just realized I've got a very weak and sub-par machine. Hopefully that qualifies me for it, since they want a huge range of machines.

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Sent mine in to. Thanks for the heads up.

Reading the comments in the steam group most people have quads and hexa core CPU's. There way more powerful then I ever had.

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Quoting: "Qantourisc, post: 5937, member: 181"Me neither, but I assume you made a typo ? Otherwise I agree with your quote.

"if it's free: lot more work to develop, more bugs, and bigger code."
Free Software doesn't require more work, bigger codebases or encourage more bugs either.

Quoting: "Qantourisc, post: 5937, member: 181"And it's not that there are no open standards, is that they aren't used and people don't care. This hurts them, and it also hurts us (imo).

Yeah, definitely. A lack of awareness isn't healthy for anybody (that probably goes for everything though :D ).

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Actually, the Valve guys had said in comments on the recent blog post that they wanted as broad a selection of hardware and software configurations as they could get. Perhaps that'll work in your favour ^_^

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Quoting: "Cheeseness, post: 5935, member: 122"I don't agree that using open standards requires bigger codebases or encourages more bugs.

Me neither, but I assume you made a typo ? Otherwise I agree with your quote.
And it's not that there are no open standards, is that they aren't used and people don't care. This hurts them, and it also hurts us (imo).

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I got to fill in other distro other window manager, things are not looking good for me :)

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Quoting: "Qantourisc, post: 5930, member: 181"If B is commercial: increased cost; if it's free: lot more work to develop, more bugs, and bigger code.

Edit:
My main point is just, closed-source software is not nearly as bad, as the lack of open standards is bad.
I see more and more cloud applications that create more and more vendor lock-in.

Ah, I see. There are open standards in the spaces you were talking about though (some of which you mentioned). I don't agree that using open standards requires bigger codebases or encourages more bugs.
I agree that the lack of dominant open standards is not a good thing, but I don't feel that embracing proprietary software (or saying it's not so bad) is going to help overcome that.


Also, the beta survey page on the Valve site went live earlier :)

http://gamingonlinux.com/index.php?threads/steam-for-linux-beta-survey-is-live.1108/

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I sent the lead another message asking what happened, not sure what to make of this, first i thought it was a cash grab, then it seemed he was just ill informed...and now nothing has been done...hmmm.

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Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 5928, member: 1"Keep an eye out on Monday, Valve are talking at Ubuntu Developer Summit
Drew Bliss - Valve

2012-10-29 14:15..14:30 in Auditorium 10+11
Pretty sure that's GMT time.

Seeing as they added another cdr entry called Steam Linux UDS Beta, I bet that's when we see the beta. Can't wait!

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Quoting: "Cheeseness, post: 5923, member: 122"I'm not quite sure of what it is you're saying. Is B Free Software in this case? If so, why would costs of development be increased?

If B is commercial: increased cost; if it's free: lot more work to develop, more bugs, and bigger code.

Edit:
My main point is just, closed-source software is not nearly as bad, as the lack of open standards is bad.
I see more and more cloud applications that create more and more vendor lock-in.

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Keep an eye out on Monday, Valve are talking at Ubuntu Developer Summit
Drew Bliss - Valve

2012-10-29 14:15..14:30 in Auditorium 10+11
Pretty sure that's GMT time.

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Also, the another GNU/Linux thread is there, by the same troll. How can I be sure it's a troll - complains about DRM, owns 72 games, many of which use DRM.

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Quoting: "SCIBOTIC, post: 5925"The "GNU/Linux" argument has been adopted by trolls as easy material for annoying Linux users. I pretty much laughed at the title since I've seen it so many times before, not only for the fact that it was most likely a troll but also for the fact that it has always been rather unproductive even when people took it seriously.

It does have a point though - the GNU project does still need to be taken seriously. I admit, I say Linux more than I say GNU/Linux, but I do understand why they make a fuss about it. Linus does not need the fame or the credit (in fact he has been trying to live it down for the past fifteen years). The GNU project does, as it always needs more hands and more developers and more money. So I can understand why they may get upset about their (large) contributions getting slighted.

Quoting: "Larian1975, post: 5919"Funny - not as in "ha ha", but rather as in "strange you should say that". While I certainly appreciate the command line for its utility, I don't use it most of the time unless I'm trying to fix something. Indeed, for me Linux is "click-and-it-works" because I've made my machine run that way. Surely I'm not the only one.:)

Yeah, but I do you pity them. Using the CLI is quite literally a life changing positive experience. ;)

Quoting: "Cheeseness, post: 5923, member: 122"I'm not quite sure of what it is you're saying. Is B Free Software in this case? If so, why would costs of development be increased?

I think he is just advancing the Micheal Simms argument:
http://blog.linuxgamepublishing.com/2009/06/29/a-closed-source-companys-ceos-view-on-open-source/

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The "GNU/Linux" argument has been adopted by trolls as easy material for annoying Linux users. I pretty much laughed at the title since I've seen it so many times before, not only for the fact that it was most likely a troll but also for the fact that it has always been rather unproductive even when people took it seriously.

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Quoting: "Qantourisc, post: 5921, member: 181"IMO Free software is over-rated. It's WAAAY more harmfull to build closed systems: closed file standards, protocols (Apple-talk, Skype, Cloud-sync services). While they could be using: Jabber, vcarddav, imap, scp, sftp, ...
This is holding back FOSS a LOT more. This also makes so you can't drop product A and replace it with a better product B because you'd tied to the closed standard.
It will also block and increase the cost of making product B, because it's less economical viable. And for FOSS people it's a LOT more work.

I'm not quite sure of what it is you're saying. Is B Free Software in this case? If so, why would costs of development be increased?

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Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 5848, member: 1"You should try getting one of the guys from Mojang to tweet about it, works for a lot of other games :), they love their space games.

It would be great. We need all the assistance that we can get, it's go not quick enough.

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Quoting: "Cheeseness, post: 5914, member: 122"I'm with KIAaze. I'd really like to see greater discussion and awareness of the implications of running non-free software on a Free OS.

IMO Free software is over-rated. It's WAAAY more harmfull to build closed systems: closed file standards, protocols (Apple-talk, Skype, Cloud-sync services). While they could be using: Jabber, vcarddav, imap, scp, sftp, ...
This is holding back FOSS a LOT more. This also makes so you can't drop product A and replace it with a better product B because you'd tied to the closed standard.
It will also block and increase the cost of making product B, because it's less economical viable. And for FOSS people it's a LOT more work.

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Quoting: "Bumadar, post: 5906, member: 93"I think its cool steam comes to linux, I do worry a bit what will happen with the smaller players like Desura and Gamolith. In a huge windows environment there is room for other companies to exists but with the success of HiB where a Steam key is a must people will get pushed towards steam and I am afraid that soon Desura and Gamolith will be pushed aside.

For me it's simple: direct sales gets preference, then the least drm, and then finally drm.

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Quoting: "Avarisclari, post: 5910"I honestly don't have a super huge problem with it. The only one I do have is that by doing this, forums are going to explode with non linux users, don't take this the wrong way, trying to figure out how to use various features because they've grown with click and it works, no keyboard required. (Pretty much how it is now, but after learning it when i first came over in 08 i love cli)

Funny - not as in "ha ha", but rather as in "strange you should say that". While I certainly appreciate the command line for its utility, I don't use it most of the time unless I'm trying to fix something. Indeed, for me Linux is "click-and-it-works" because I've made my machine run that way.

Surely I'm not the only one.:)

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Quoting: "Phillyreal, post: 5916"It means an opportunity for linux and it's distros to survive.

Are distros in danger of not surviving, though?

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And let me add that I will mostly be utilizing FOSS software even with steams offerings. In the end I pay for whatever i use whether it be through donations or purchase.

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What does steam mean to me. It means an opportunity for linux and it's distros to survive. The problem with Free is that it is free. If you love you distro and love what linux has done for your life compared to your microsoft experience, let for profit companies offer you more freedom: freedom to pay if you choose. You still have plenty of other open source free software to choose from. And by all means, if you choose to use only the free software, donate money so programmers can continue with their efforts. It is not the end of the world. Unfortunately money makes the world go round and will for the foreseeable future.

Phillyreal

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