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Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 4395, member: 1"The thing is though, if games that use it sell well, then hopefully you would think people in future would program with Linux in mind for a native version, after all this is a game that has been out for a while.

Tacking on wine support after is better than 0 support in my eyes, i don't have to mess with any configs still, it all installs for me just like it would natively.

The way I look at this particular issue is that if Linux users are buying products using Wine, then that erodes the potential customer base. From a publishing standpoint, if people on Linux have the ability to use Wine, then that's that market's needs met. If Wine can be seen as a legitimate option that consumers are happy with, then native support will be significantly harder to justify.

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Hm, I've never heard of either of those games before. I'll have to google them.

My inspiration for the Dirk Dashing games was mainly Apogee's Secret Agent and id's Commander Keen (2 of my favorite platformer series of games), plus bits from Bio Menace, Crystal Caves, Duke Nukem (the old 2D platformers), Mega Man, etc and a few ideas of my own.

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Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 4395, member: 1"The thing is though, if games that use it sell well, then hopefully you would think people in future would program with Linux in mind for a native version, after all this is a game that has been out for a while.

Another small point to add to this is that, when you consider it fully, we are not actually gaining anything from this but are in fact actually losing something we already had. Instead of just gaining pseudo-support from one developer (as this implies) we are actually potentially losing full support from the Humble Bundle for other titles in the future. It used to seem be native assured, but now this throws that into question.

So why should we let ourselves lose what we already had?

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Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 4405, member: 1"As far as I know no petition for Linux gaming has ever done anything?

I honestly do not know what kind of effect this will have, but it is not like most Linux gaming petitions. It is directed at Humble Bundle, who do have a history of listening, even to a single individual.

I just figured it was better to get organized rather than have islands of unrest in a large humble sea.

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Quoting: "st23, post: 4404"Wine = WINdows Emulator

"Now, yes, but until 1998, no: [URL='http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/']http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/[/URL]

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http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1931801&page=2

Okay? Fortunately it's not 1998. And wine is not an emulator any more than mono or java is an emulator.

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Quoting: "Hamish, post: 4403, member: 6"Maybe try using a different program, and if that does not work it is probably time to contact support.

duh..... 7z x psychonauts-linux-05312012.zip worked without issue... thanks, but should have thought about that myself :)

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Nice, like Bionic Commando meats Chips Challenge.

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Quoting: "liamdawe, post: 4405, member: 1"Like I said I feel it is better than nothing, but not the ideal solution.

As far as I know no petition for Linux gaming has ever done anything?

I think you forgot about Tibia Client Petition

http://www.linuxgames.com/?s=tibia

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Quoting: "Hamish, post: 4398, member: 6"The thing is Liam, aren't we beyond that stage these days? Especially from something like the Humble Indie Bundle?

I don't know how much good this will do, but I started a petition to protest the inclusion of a non-native game in a Humble Indie Bundle:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hib-native/

Please add your signatures. It is worded in a very constructive way and it seemed like the most civil way to get our point across.

We can not sell out our values at this stage. Not when we have momentum.

Like I said I feel it is better than nothing, but not the ideal solution.

As far as I know no petition for Linux gaming has ever done anything?

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Quoting: "Brandon Smith, post: 4399, member: 56"I thought WINE meant Wine Is Not an Emulator

Wine = WINdows Emulator

"Now, yes, but until 1998, no: [URL='http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/']http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/[/URL] "

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1931801&page=2

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Maybe try using a different program, and if that does not work it is probably time to contact support.

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any clue on this:

/Desktop/Downloaded> md5sum psychonauts-linux-05312012.zip
feb1d3216bbe32a317ea80cb4f88dcae psychonauts-linux-05312012.zip

checksum is correct

/Desktop/Downloaded> unzip psychonauts-linux-05312012.zip
Archive: psychonauts-linux-05312012.zip
fatal error: read failure while seeking for End-of-centdir-64 signature.
This zipfile is corrupt.
unzip: cannot find zipfile directory in one of psychonauts-linux-05312012.zip or
psychonauts-linux-05312012.zip.zip, and cannot find psychonauts-linux-05312012.zip.ZIP, period.

I downloaded the 4gb twice now and the checksum is correct so ????

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Indeed, you are right Brandon that WINE is not an emulator.

It does not really change anything though. As a Linux developer yourself, you deserve credit for the work you put into your native ports. By including a non-native game in something like the Bundle, it really is a kick in your teeth as well.

It is saying that you can get away with not putting in the effort.

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The petition is a good idea. But just to be sure they receive my complaint, I will also write to: [email protected]

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I thought WINE meant Wine Is Not an Emulator

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The thing is Liam, aren't we beyond that stage these days? Especially from something like the Humble Indie Bundle?

I don't know how much good this will do, but I started a petition to protest the inclusion of a non-native game in a Humble Indie Bundle:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hib-native/

Please add your signatures. It is worded in a very constructive way and it seemed like the most civil way to get our point across.

We can not sell out our values at this stage. Not when we have momentum.

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No.

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I wonder... what about the mac version? Are they using the same wrapper?

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The thing is though, if games that use it sell well, then hopefully you would think people in future would program with Linux in mind for a native version, after all this is a game that has been out for a while.

Tacking on wine support after is better than 0 support in my eyes, i don't have to mess with any configs still, it all installs for me just like it would natively.

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I have little issue with Wine, I use it a lot. But if limbo does this now then it simply mean in the future we will see more humble games doing that which eventually will mean less native humble games..... which is a shame as humble bundle in a way forced developers to work with linux.

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Quoting: "lfz, post: 4382"What's the problem with that? People put a lot of effort in Wine development just so that this kind of thing can happen and more games can be played on Linux.

Wine development? This is still Windows development, because tehy sell Windows version of Limbo instead native Linux version.

Wine = WINdows Emulator

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1931801&page=2

Quoting: "lfz, post: 4382"I particulary wish more developers would at least officialy support Wine instead of saying that porting for Linux is hard.

Wine, Cider, Wineskin etc. is trap for gamers and game producers:

"Mac OS X Non-Cider Update
The original version of X³: Reunion for Mac OS X used the Cider "wrapper" technology developed by [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgaming']Transgaming[/URL].[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%C2%B3:_Reunion#cite_note-19'][COLOR=#0b0080][20][/URL][/COLOR] On June 29, 2010, [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virtual_Programming&action=edit&redlink=1']Virtual Programming[/URL]issued a new version of the game that eschewed Cider.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%C2%B3:_Reunion#cite_note-20'][COLOR=#0b0080][21][/URL][/COLOR] Virtual Programming CEO Mark Hinton was quoted as saying: "We weren't happy with X³: Reunion's performance when using Cider, and it turned out many of our customers weren't either. As a gesture of goodwill, we reengineered the game as a native port that's a free update for existing customers. Starting today, new X³: Reunion customers will receive the updated version of the game.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%C2%B3:_Reunion

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Well I have to say....Limbo actually works very nicely even on integrated intel graphics for me i don't even need to use the nvidia chip :D

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People seem rather pissed, even though 4 out of the 5 games are absolutely worth buying.

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Considering everything, if I do grab this I am considering not giving anything in the form of a Humble Tip. Including a game with a WINE wrapper is just something I never expected from them. And I definitely would not give a cent to the developers of Limbo...

That said, I still want to pick it up so that I will finally get myself a copy of Amnesia and also grab Physconauts, which I have heard great things about. I will see how things go though.

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Well the irony is that Limbo runs smoothly on my machine and Bastion which is sort of native (XNA mono) crashes on click.

Edit: Got it!

Ubuntu 12.04
You have to edit
/usr/local/games/Bastion/OpenTK.dll.config (or the path you installed at)
and add the line


Now it runs fine. Slower than on Chrome (!) but it's ok

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crap - that should read 'the following *four* lines :)

also not the perl lines are each one line, take care when copying not to split the line as it looks in the post.

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Quoting: "Xpander, post: 4384, member: 92"i had no problems running it in wine when i used to play.
now with the bundle version (crossover ported one)..that works well also.
yeah..native version would be better but no problem with the winelib one for me at least.

only problem is that the damn game doesnt have windowed mode. so its better to play windows version in wine to emulate wine window to be able to play in windowed mode:)

I found a fix for this. In the limbo directory, you run the ./launch-limbo.sh. Edit that to include the following three lines directly after the DIRNAME line:

if [ "$1" == -w ]; then
perl -e 'open (SETIN,"<./support/limbo/drive_c/Program Files/limbo/settings.txt"); @settings = ; close SETIN; open (SETOUT,">./support/limbo/drive_c/Program Files/limbo/settings.txt");foreach $line(@settings) { if ($line =~ /windowedmode/) { print SETOUT "windowedmode = truen" } else { print SETOUT $line;} } close SETOUT;'
else
perl -e 'open (SETIN,"<./support/limbo/drive_c/Program Files/limbo/settings.txt"); @settings = ; close SETIN; open (SETOUT,">./support/limbo/drive_c/Program Files/limbo/settings.txt");foreach $line(@settings) { if ($line =~ /windowedmode/) { print SETOUT "windowedmode = falsen" } else { print SETOUT $line;} } close SETOUT;'
fi

It's a major hack and uses perl instead of sed (i've never quite got the hang of sed) but the end result is:

./launch-limbo.sh
starts the game fullscreen

./launch-limbo.sh -w
starts the game in windowed mode

Note that the script assumes you are in the root limbo directory when running the launcher.

Beemer

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i had no problems running it in wine when i used to play.
now with the bundle version (crossover ported one)..that works well also.
yeah..native version would be better but no problem with the winelib one for me at least.

only problem is that the damn game doesnt have windowed mode. so its better to play windows version in wine to emulate wine window to be able to play in windowed mode:)

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Quoting: "lfz, post: 4382"What's the problem with that? People put a lot of effort in Wine development just so that this kind of thing can happen and more games can be played on Linux. I particulary wish more developers would at least officialy support Wine instead of saying that porting for Linux is hard.

That being said, I read the thread and it seems that the game doesnt run as expected and that sux indeed, if they wanted to pull this out they should have at least put some effort in making it run flawlessly.

The point it is very very hard to get wine to run "flawlessly" due to the very nature of what it is doing.

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Quoting: "Use2378, post: 4380"Looks like the Linux version of LIMBO is just a Wine wrapper: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/ue5kp/the_humble_indie_bundle_v_amnesia_the_dark/c4umgmc

I expected more from a HIB

What's the problem with that? People put a lot of effort in Wine development just so that this kind of thing can happen and more games can be played on Linux. I particulary wish more developers would at least officialy support Wine instead of saying that porting for Linux is hard.

That being said, I read the thread and it seems that the game doesnt run as expected and that sux indeed, if they wanted to pull this out they should have at least put some effort in making it run flawlessly.

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