Quoting: einherjarIf we have an Incident in our company, we mean something is faulty.

In that context it's a euphemism to avoid assigning blame: it's not anybody's fault, it's an incident.

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Quoting: PhiladelphusThat gave me a funny thought, how long until someone installs macOS on a Deck for the sheer novelty?

Deckintosh.

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Quoting: HoriIf you think about it... Proton games should cost less because you don't get support, so why pay for that?

I mean... I don't. I'm pretty sure everyone's tired of me saying so. It would be good for someone from the mainstream gaming press to strongly suggest specifically waiting for a deep sale before buying a game for the Deck from a developer that won't support it. "We didn't bother to test, and we won't fix any problems you have. Money up front." is terrible customer service by any measure.

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Quoting: GuestTypical deflectionary response from someone who probably has a lot of creative talent but is either too intellectually lazy or unksilled technically to think outside of his comfort zone.

There are an untold number of game devs that never consider or mention Linux at all. Garry isn't one of those: he specifically lashes out about it.

My strong suspicion is that he did actually try Linux at some point, but then went all Windows Power User and messed it all up. Since it couldn't have possibly been his mistake (because he knows that he does computers good), it must be Linux that's to blame. It's a fairly standard pattern.

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Quoting: lejimsterHas any of this Futex stuff ever made it upstream? It seems like every year there is some attempt, but it never makes its way into the Kernel.

The kernel cadence is a new version every two months, so more often than that 😝

I can see their point that they want to get their use case sorted for their use case, particularly before December, and they don't want to be bogged down by the kitchen sink nice-to-have stuff that people want, but I hope the design of the changes that get made doesn't prevent the kitchen sink stuff in the future. We don't want to have to have a futex3.

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Quoting: NeverthelessInteresting! Maybe I should try Kubunto, or Manjaro..

There's certainly no harm in trying. I think I probably had to use nomodeset for the installer (Pop having an installer with the Nvidia driver already installed is a great idea) but that was it. My (Intel) laptop had Cinnamon on (which I'd been using there for quite a while), but that got swapped out for KDE almost immediately after I'd tried KDE on my desktop.

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Quoting: NeverthelessI would be maybe.. but somehow I have the feeling KDE and Nvidia aren't friends...
Even the installation of Fedora KDE crashes all the time for me.

KDE on Nvidia's been perfectly fine for me since I started using it ~three years ago.

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Quoting: subDamn, why don't we already see a (real) Doom 2016/Eternal port? :D

No matter how good it runs with Proton. id Software, even if
not the same company anymore, had a tradition of Linux ports.
Now they're getting show cased a lot with Steam Deck.

Come on guys. Get us a port already.

Zenimax said no, after they bought id. I'm not sure that they're that likely to change their minds on developing for Linux now that they're owned by Microsoft.

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Quoting: Loftywhy ?

People have been trying to replicate the rough performance of the Steam Deck on existing hardware. When they've done so, they've found that using Linux gives better performance than using Windows. The review of the Onexplayer suggested that the Windows interface just wasn't that great without a keyboard and mouse. Windows updates are apparently brutal.

QuoteAt that point im not sure what more valve could do anyway for those kinds of people.

Until they do whatever it is, they're essentially a Microsoft subsidiary.

Pre-installed Linux gaming is the product here, and the hardware is just the delivery vehicle. If Microsoft pulled the plug on them, for whatever reason, Valve need to find a way to keep their customers; that's their driving motivation.

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Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: jrtI was very positively surprised by the LTT video. He didn't mention "installing Windows" or the current anticheat situation.
I think it's great that we are at a point where people can be hyped about a Desktop Linux device without a constant "but it would be better with windows".

Agree this is a real plus so far. I still kind of expect a tidal wave of YT videos on how to install windows, but if this trend continues and people stick to using Linux on the device then this really could be a watershed moment for Linux desktop adoption.

I can honestly see some vendors shipping laptops installed with SteamOS-3.0 and the KDE desktop enabled as default in future.

I expect those videos to end with "Windows on this device kinda sucks." But if people install Windows on it and genuinely prefer it, good for them. That's exactly what I'd want for installing Linux on all my computers. If it turns out that Valve haven't made Linux gaming compelling enough for the masses, so their customers are going to go through the hassle of installing fresh Windows on a device that comes with a different OS, then they aren't safe from Microsoft and they need to Linux harder.

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