Quoting: tamodoloSome recent post said that Linux needs to be pre-installed more to hit mainstream. This is somewhat naive to say specialy if you think Linux have high quality distributions for desktop use today. Unfortunately the desktop is almost dead. The new generation don't use computers but cellphone instead of it.

But let's assume Desktop will prevail and Linux have a chance to dominate over windows. Then Linux need to improve in these topics:

- GUI. It needs GUI for everything and I mean EVERYTHING!. (like this software solves a problem that wine itself don't). There are no users interested in using the terminal in the mainstream.
- The system cannot allow the user to break it easily (Linus effect)
- Latency and Inputlag must be ridiculously low and Desktop Environ and the kernel needs to handle that by default.
- BT needs to be rewriten... seriously...
- It needs Adobe (don't think will happen in the nier future)
- It needs Games (on going by now)
- It needs HDR and above 8 bit collors...
- It needs to keep backward compatibylity! Linux cannot break software because you update a lib that dropped legacy support.

Also, none of that needs to offer a windows like experience. Making a system easy and simple is very hard but also very necessary!

Quote- GUI. It needs GUI for everything and I mean EVERYTHING!. (like this software solves a problem that wine itself don't). There are no users interested in using the terminal in the mainstream.

There should not be a GUI for everything. Even on Windows and Mac OS some things are only possible on the command line...

Quote- It needs Adobe (don't think will happen in the nier future)

The last thing Linux should do is copy other operating systems. Linux is great because of how unique it is.

Quote- It needs HDR and above 8 bit collors...

I do agree that it does lack in some technical areas and that should be fixed.

Quote- It needs to keep backward compatibylity! Linux cannot break software because you update a lib that dropped legacy support.

Windows keeps everything and Mac OS moves on all quickly from legacy code and Linux is somewhere in between. In my experience, I think that Mac OS does this the right way.

Quote- The system cannot allow the user to break it easily (Linus effect)

For every system I've used this can be done just in different ways. When I first started learning Windows I broke the whole system several times and same with Linux and Mac OS.

I do agree that apt should never have allowed a user the choice in the first place and rm -f was disallowed for the same reason.

Operating Systems are very complex and users will figure out a way to break them no matter how much effort you put into that.

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Quoting: GuestIt's amazing how when a company senses a marketing opportunity like this suddenly the impossible can happen.

Releasing on GNU/Linux can't be done!
Oh, Stadia appears? Sure, not a problem.
Steam Deck appears? Sure, not a problem (especially when someone else does the work).

But, to be clear, I see this as the same case with Stadia. Capcom might well support (or not) the Deck officially (and if they're putting it on their official youtube channel, they support it now!) but it's only the Deck they support. It's not GNU/Linux desktop, and they aren't going to magically make native games available.

And I know that, for now, if it works on the Deck then it's likely to work elsewhere (so long as Steam is there). With Stadia though there was a community expecting more to come of it, and there wasn't. I think it's the same - the game is still a Windows title, Capcom isn't supporting GNU/Linux, they are only supporting their Windows game running on the Deck and nothing more.

Not trying to be a buzzkill; whether this is overall good or bad I won't comment on (I do have opinions there, but not writing them here at the moment). I'm just trying to get perspective on what the deal really is: to Capcom this isn't GNU/Linux, this is something closer to Just Another Console(tm).

For native Linux to take off, the number of gamers on Linux needs to go up first.

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Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: NameHereI often see this sort of thing and wonder: are these general fixes to proton that have been missed?

Or is there now a line in proton something like:
if
Age of Empires 4 do these things,
else if
Forza Horizon 5 do these other things

Why are game specific fixes or hacks needed so often?

This has me confused too. People say it's just an API that's not fully implemented, but what are really the odds of this particular game using a part of a given API that NONE of the other hundreds of games, massive complex AAA included, has not used?
It just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't add up.

As a developer who has worked with the Windows API before I can tell you it is very large.

Outside of the Windows API anyone can create their own DLL(this is just a shared library).

For instance, rust DLLs for Windows have been causing problems for Wine recently as that is a newer Language with its own DLLs.

Then you have different version of Windows with different APIs and this all adds up to a constant moving target of things to implement.

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Quoting: MohandevirJust installed Kubuntu 20.04 this weekend... I was using Pop_OS! for the last year and half, or so.

I've been pleasantly surprised with KDE... Gnome required me to uncheck "Allow flipping", in the Nvidia control panel, to prevent screen flickering while streaming from my Nvidia GPU rig to my Nvidia Shield. I also had to disable the HDMI audio output to prevent audio degradation (it usually happened after 15 to 20 mins of playtime). All of those issues also affected KDE, before I decided to settle with Pop_OS! (tested it back then).

This time, I didn't had to do any of those tweaks on KDE. No flickering, no audio degradation after a 1 hour run, friday evening and a 2 hour run, yesterday.

Nice progression by the KDE team! Crossing my fingers that it keeps on going this way!

Valve's implication in Kwin support at work here?

Edit: It brings me back full circle... It all started with Kubuntu 7.10, for me.

Did you know that you can install KDE on Pop!_OS? It's the same repos as Kubuntu too.

sudo apt install kde-standard

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Quoting: robvv

Quoting: KohlyKohlWhere does one get this package? Latest I'm seeing is for 470.

They're always available from the Nvidia website.

Of course, though installing that way on debian based systems is not recommended.

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Quoting: HoolyEDIT: mmstick on the Matrix-room confirmed that this driver is being packaged for Pop!_OS today.


Took them long enough!

But better late than never, I hope their implementation works as well as the open-source implementation of Mesa.

Where does one get this package? Latest I'm seeing is for 470.

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Quoting: Salvatos

Quoting: GuestThe chosen terms are not very clear to me.
"Verified, Playable, Unsupported and Unknown"
Is "Playable" better or worse than "Verified"? What does "verified" even mean? It could mean it has been verified as not working.
"Unsupported", ok, but it doesn’t tell if it’s working or not.
"Unknown" is of course not helping much either.

I’m not asking for the answers, just saying they should choose terms that immediately make sense.

They seem clear enough to me.
Verified is often used on major Internet platforms to mean "curated and authorized by the platform owner". Pretty much a seal of approval to buy without worry.
Playable pretty strongly implies that it’s not more than just playable. It works, but has issues. Especially clear when paired with the icon and the knowledge that it could have been Verified instead.
Unsupported means it’s not meant to be played on the Deck and you’re on your own if you decide to buy it anyway. Sends a pretty clear message even though it doesn’t tell you exactly what’s wrong about it, which the details modal presumably will address.
Unknown can’t be much clearer, really. No compatibility info available. Buy at your own risk or check the forums.

I still think that the difference between Verified and Playable is weird. The icon for Playable makes it seem like it'll have issues when in reality it will not.

Verified, Unsupported, and Unknown all make sense; I think Playable needs a rework.

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Quoting: CFWhitman

Quoting: KohlyKohlThe mere fact that one is even allowed to install Windows on the Steam Deck negates this argument.

How so? Do you know what "negates this argument" means? It implies a significant logical flaw that makes the argument invalid. Even if what I said turns out not to be the case, it would not be logically flawed; it would merely be incorrect.

Quoting: KohlyKohlI hope most people keep Linux on the Steam Deck. However, I've known enough Windows gamer's over the years to know that many of them will be more than willing to install Windows on the Steam Deck even if it is something they normally wouldn't do.

We'll see I suppose. I don't see a high percentage of people moving it to Windows unless Valve "drops the ball" somehow. The most likely way I could see would be if this is too soon for the whole Proton/Steam OS approach to be truly ready (or, conceivably, that the Proton/Steam OS approach could never be ready enough).

Your argument was that Valve wanted SteamOS VIA Linux to succeed. By allowing Windows to be installed on Steam Deck, it negates that argument as SteamOS 3.0 will also be on Windows.

By allowing other ecosystem, such as different manufacturers or different operating systems, it shows that they are fine with whatever happens. They only care about Steam succeeding and they are hoping that Steam Deck furthers that goal.

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Quoting: CFWhitman

Quoting: BielFPsThe two main point I said before all these people quoting me was
-Valve profit from both Windows and Linux sales, despite deck success or not
-Valve is not support Linux for ideological reasons, but because Linux is a way to make then independent to Microsoft.

I want to make it clear that I never intended to contradict these two points. They are both true.

I do think, however, that if the Steam Deck were to be turned into something that most people converted to Windows, Valve would consider it a failed attempt to further establish their independence from Microsoft. Having people running Windows on the Steam Deck is not their goal, despite that still being profitable for them.

I also have serious doubts that any less than 75%, and probably more like 90%+, of Steam Deck owners will keep Steam OS as the installed system (at least for the first three years) just because that's what came on it.

(Edit: I would like to add that I don't think Valve would go to all the trouble they have supporting Linux strictly for ideological reasons, but I do think that Gabe Newell likes that supporting Linux also is in line with his ideology on the subject of operating systems.)

The mere fact that one is even allowed to install Windows on the Steam Deck negates this argument.

I hope most people keep Linux on the Steam Deck. However, I've known enough Windows gamer's over the years to know that many of them will be more than willing to install Windows on the Steam Deck even if it is something they normally wouldn't do.

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Quoting: massatt212i know their are other ways to install the browser, but it would be nice to catch up to windows, even the encoders are worst on linux, thinking about an NDI setup for streaming

Do you have any examples? I've encoded 4K videos just fine with OBS and haven't run into any performance issues.

This NDI plugin works with Linux:
https://www.newtek.com/blog/tips/dual-pc-streaming-in-linux-using-ndi-instead-of-capture-cards/

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