Quoting: fagnerlnI tried a lot of times to use KDE (3, 5, 6...), I sincerely can't like it, too much bugs and pretty bad apps (even the calculator is bad IMO

There's no reason you can't use GNOME's calculator on KDE. I mean, it's what I do. I use Solanum, Amberol, Bottles, Evolution, Folaite, Loupe, Lutris, Errands, GNOME Boxes, and Remmina on KDE. GNOME applications look pretty good on KDE with only slight weirdness in some cases. Nautilus is probably the most pronounced instance of this, but it looks nowhere near as bad as Dolphin looks on GNOME.

I also use plenty of applications that KDE does well, like Kdenlive, Krita, and Qbittorrent.

I really like the way GNOME works, but I needed to move to KDE because it's just not built for multiple monitors. Not much has changed for me now that I'm here.

But I'd also love to try out COSMIC.

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It's impressive how far System76 has come with COSMIC in less than two years. They've gone from nothing to a full desktop written in an up-and-coming language—Rust—and they've made countless contributions to foundational projects along the way, like gtk4-rs, iced, Smithay, and Wayland Protocols.

I've always loved the idea of a tiling window manager that's batteries included (like what Zellij is to terminal multiplexers). I spent so many hours configuring Sway but in the end it just didn't have the features I needed, nor did it make it easy to change things. COSMIC looks exactly like the middle ground I'm looking for.

I'm looking forward to trying out COSMIC soon. It'll be great to recommend a distribution anyone can use that has fully embraced modern technologies for the Linux desktop, and I hope Pop!_OS is that next year.

And I really want to write something with libcosmic.

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Quoting: tohurthats just my opinion so not aiming to offend anyone

No, why would anyone be offended by that?

Rust just compiles to C in the end. Iced is several decades younger than GTK or Qt.

GNOME and Libadwaita certainly have the best design on the Linux desktop. The design for COSMIC looks somewhat incomplete, which makes sense—they're not even in Alpha yet. GNOME has had over 20 years to perfect their design. I think it started looking really good around the start of the 2020s.

GNOME looked like this in 2011: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Fedora_15_Lovelock_Gnome3.png/1600px-Fedora_15_Lovelock_Gnome3.png

Give them time. It looks fine, in my opinion, but lacking contrast. And then they went too far in adding contrast to the active window with the thick, bright blue border. Something subtler would be better.

I don't think the design and UI is fundamentally flawed; it's something that can be improved iteratively.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeWhich makes me sad, as that is ONE feature I use ALL the time (the old X11 highlight/paste with middle mouse button) that is non-existent on every other operating system, and Wayland seems to be against it being a thing...

So I just tried this out, and at least in KDE Wayland, middle-click to paste something highlighted works fine.

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One day, the Steam Deck may be available in Australia...

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Quoting: CloversheenIt is quite widespread unfortunately, you can do a general search like "wayland clipboard issues" on any search engine of choice and still find a lot of new threads like this, this

Oh. I've been using Neovim with that exact same configuration option set, but Neovim supports Wayland's clipboard just fine, so I never noticed in the upgrade to Plasma 6.

Then for this:

QuoteIf I’m not mistaken the standard wayland behavior is to forget clipboard content from a window, if the window is closed.

Maybe this was true a long time ago, but it's not true anymore? I just tried testing it and the content of the clipboard remains.

Do I just use more Wayland-native applications than other people? I've been using Wayland for 2 years now and never run into clipboard issues.

I mean, technically it happened with the ames script because it relied on calling X clipboard tools from the CLI which obviously don't work, but replacing them with wl-clipboard was trivial. When I asked the question, I kind of expected most of the programs with a problem would be these sort of bash scripts.

But I think Xwayland applications work fine? I've never had any trouble with the ones I use, anyway.

I just tried to reproduce this Flameshot issue: https://github.com/flameshot-org/flameshot/issues/2848

But it copied the screenshot to my clipboard just fine despite telling me Wayland doesn't support some clipboard functions.

I'm not saying the problem doesn't exist, but I haven't been able to reproduce any of these bugs myself...

Quoting: slaapliedjeUsually older apps, like I know the Nitrokey one doesn't work correctly in Wayland.

Ah. That's not one I can test to see if the issue is still around.

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QuoteThe first, is that you can no longer do online play as their Easy Anti-Cheat for Linux platforms seems a bit broken.

Is someone keeping a tally of how often this has happened to games? It must be in the dozens by now.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: pleasereadthemanual

Quoting: CybolicSteam has a help page with a bit more info.

QuoteNVIDIA users will need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver as the open-source Mesa Nouveau driver currently does not support Vulkan.

Looks like it's due for an update.

I guess this is an important feature to have for 47 considering Fedora Workstation plans to drop the X session from the installation media in Fedora 41.

Though the X11 packages will still be in the repositories, that will make Fedora Workstation the first major Linux distribution to be Wayland-only, with Pop!_OS to follow soon.

Now if we could just get that color management protocol finalized...

I hate this, because Wayland still breaks copy/paste in several apps that I use... Not to mention randomly stuff with the old X11 style of having that extra clipboard doesn't work correctly...

I've never experienced this and now I'm curious. What apps don't let you copy stuff to your clipboard?

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Quoting: CybolicSteam has a help page with a bit more info.

QuoteNVIDIA users will need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver as the open-source Mesa Nouveau driver currently does not support Vulkan.

Looks like it's due for an update.

I guess this is an important feature to have for 47 considering Fedora Workstation plans to drop the X session from the installation media in Fedora 41.

Though the X11 packages will still be in the repositories, that will make Fedora Workstation the first major Linux distribution to be Wayland-only, with Pop!_OS to follow soon.

Now if we could just get that color management protocol finalized...

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Quoting: scaineI suspect that if the Unity Phone had succeeded in their IndieGogo campaign, Unity would still be the primary desktop on Ubuntu today, and likely, powered by Mir.

How did Canonical seriously believe they would be able to get 32 million dollars from crowdfunding?

They got 12 million instead, which is mind-boggling. They set the bar way too high.

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