I'm kind of amused how many of the Linux users here moonlight as macOS users. Well—I don't use it for gaming, anyway...I just hear whispers from strange corners of the internet.

Quoting: CatKillerVirtualApple is Apple Silicon. The use of that on Mac in the survey is in line with use of the M GPUs.

That's true! I didn't notice that.

Quoting: CatKillerIn particular, none of the Mac hardware - neither CPU brand nor GPU model number - shows up in the Windows-only section at all.

I noticed that. Then, it would be safe to say there are no macOS users being miscounted.

I was disinclined to believe the macOS numbers are actually that much lower than Linux because...that sounds crazy, right?

I guess that's just the reality we live in now.

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Quoting: Linux_RocksUnless it's Apple Silicon, there's no point in supporting macOS anymore for games with smaller budgets. Sequoia will probably be the last x86 macOS too.

I have a feeling Seqoia will be the last sanctioned upgrade for my iMac, whether intel releases continue or not. I'm optimistic there'll be one last release for Intel which I can force an upgrade to with OpenCore. That should get me to the end of 2027 with security updates.

And I mean, by then, it'll be the Year of the Linux Desktop, so who cares anyway?

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Quoting: CatKiller

QuoteFeels a bit odd to be on the other side of the fence for once, as that's what usually happens to Linux but Dwarf Fortress has Native Linux support already.

Linux has had higher share than MacOS for a year now, after all.

Technically, that may not be true. Many macOS players run Steam through Whisky (free implementation of CrossOver/GPT in Swift), which reports the operating system as Windows rather than macOS, so that would likely skew the hardware survey in Linux's favour. I mean, look at the sheer number of stars this repository has: https://github.com/Whisky-App/Whisky

Edit: here's a reddit post about the hardware survey in Whisky: https://old.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1cju45s/valve_hardware_survey_in_whisky_lol/

Edit 2: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=mac

You can see VirtualApple makes up 73% of the Processor Vendor for macOS. That's about three-quarters of users using Whisky/CrossOver/Some Wine Thing to run Steam instead of the native Steam client.

But then it's under the macOS category, so maybe it is being counted correctly..?

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I installed COSMIC on Fedora Silverblue for the sake of it, which was really quick and easy: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/ryanabx/cosmic-epoch/

I've changed my mind about the aesthetics. They look worse through screencasts for some reason. When I'm actually using it, it looks quite nice. The sidebar is easily the weakest aspect of the design, but I'm sure they'll work on the aesthetics later.

The COSMIC App Store is wonderfully pointless on Fedora Silverblue as it doesn't support Flatpak. The Files app is nice enough but it's not Nautilus.

I think the Workpace view is actually nicer looking than GNOME's Activity Overview...but please let me open apps while in this view!

Focus follows cursor would be good to have.

It's a pretty nice experience with things missing and a few small bugs. What you'd expect from an Alpha. I think I'll continue using it for now.

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My excitement is still at the same level because I'm not using COSMIC until it has a stable release. The excitement level is high, though. I watched The Linux Experiment's video going through the desktop and it seemed to be in a better state than the last time I saw it.

The one thing I really dislike about COSMIC is the lack of an Activity Overview, which is such a killer feature even KDE has it now. I want to see my workspaces and be able to search to launch a program at the same time; the way macOS divides Mission Control, Launchpad and Spotlight makes the entire experience feel fragmented and inefficient. Say what you will about GNOME, but the Activity Overview is done 100% right and doing it any other way results in a worse experience.

If it just had that, I really wouldn't mind switching to COSMIC for the tiling functionality. I'm really lazy, so having a desktop with sane defaults that has reliable tiling is enough for me. Setting up Sway is one week of my life I'll never get back.

My favourite part about COSMIC is that configuration options are stored in text files you can easily edit and move around. Thank you! No more bash scripts hooking into gsettings!

Oh, and each monitor has their own workspaces! Take that, KDE and GNOME.
And it has a proper system tray. Take that, GNOME.
And the UI isn't complex and the settings app isn't confusing. Take that, KDE.

I'd also like to see headless remote desktop sessions like what GNOME Remote Desktop is pioneering, and I'd like a fully-featured Graphics Tablet settings page (in fact I'd like that more than RDP). That was the primary reason I switched off Sway.

Overall, really excited. COSMIC is a Wayland-only full-fledged desktop written entirely in Rust! And it combines Tiling with a desktop easily accessible to anyone! I'm really looking forward to a future where I can recommend any distribution with COSMIC instead of Linux Mint to complete beginners.

COSMIC is in a great state already from what I've seen. Once it has the graphics tablet settings screen (hopefully when it hits stable), I'll consider switching to it on one of my computers. I still have a lot of love for GNOME and I'll be using it for my servers because it's the only option for remote headless sessions (X11 with VNC/XRDP is awful), but COSMIC might be what I use on my desktop moving forward...

I hope there's a stable release before October 2025 :)

Edit: Here's the issue for Drawing Tablet settings in COSMIC: https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-settings/issues/141

Quoting: Klaas

Quoting: Purple Library Guyif you use Windows or Mac, you use the single DE that comes with it

I'm not sure, but I think there have been 3rd party replacement shells (is that the right term?) for Windows before.

There still is;

macOS has Yabai, Windows has Komorebi.

Well, they're really just tiling window managers rather than their own shells.

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: pleasereadthemanual

QuoteVideo edited with Kdenlive on Linux Mint

I sadly had to switch to Lightworks because both the Arch Linux package and the Flatpak are broken.

But I'm pretty happy with Lightworks. I just bought my lifetime Pro License and everything, so now seems like a good time to switch.

I once tried to install it and the list of dependencies was so long that I left it. Now I edit my incidental video with Shotcut.

If you were concerned about how that might impact your system, you could always try an unofficial Flatpak which encapsulates all the dependencies: https://github.com/kekkoudesu/lightworks-flatpak

LWKS introduced a Flatpak for the beta one month ago, and they'll have a Flatpak for the next stable release.

If you just don't like having a lot of dependencies on your system, well... I use far too much software for that to bother me.

I do editing fairly often with a specific workflow, so I need something a little more advanced than Shotcut. I'd be using DaVinci Resolve, but the Linux version is lacking, so Lightworks or Kdenlive are the next best thing. I used Cinelerra-GG for some time, and while I do have a fondness for its quirks, the workflow is inefficient, it's unoptimized, it's not color accurate, and the proxies are...kind of weird. Blender is quirky and inefficient too but the project management is the worst part about it. Not a big fan. Pitivi crashed when I imported 4K footage.

Both Flowbade and Shotcut I've tried but quickly gave up on for whatever reason. I don't remember much about them. I never tried OpenShot because I was and remain biased against the interface.

Olive was fine but I found it less efficient than Kdenlive and the fade effect was broken.

I'm kind of excited about Lumiera, if that thing ever gets an actual release

I've done some chain edits with ffmpeg filtergraphs but that workflow is only efficient for a specific kind of project. Also, I don't know if my mind is prepared to perform that sort of black magic again any time soon.

Ultimately, it's between Lightworks and Kdenlive. Lightworks is quirky too and the fades kind of suck, but the color controls are much much better and the timeline navigation is so quick. Kdenlive has a native Wayland version, though, which means it's not blurry on GNOME like Lightworks. But Lightworks might be working on a Wayland version soon...

Quoting: soulsourceAlso, I don't think the World of Goo devs can do much about the libfuse dependency. That's a dependency problem introduced directly by AppImage and can only be fixed by the AppImage devs.

I'm not very familiar with AppImage, but I remember something about them being stuck on an old libfuse version because they need to support older distributions, but this causes problems for newer distributions which have a newer version of fuse. Found the page: https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/FUSE

How are Flatpaks on Gentoo?

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QuoteVideo edited with Kdenlive on Linux Mint

I sadly had to switch to Lightworks because both the Arch Linux package and the Flatpak are broken.

But I'm pretty happy with Lightworks. I just bought my lifetime Pro License and everything, so now seems like a good time to switch.

As for World of Goo...still need to play the first one.

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Quoting: CatKillerWe don't need to court the second group. They'll find Linux on their own. We can't court the first group - they're never going to install any OS in a million years. They need the computers they buy to come with Linux, and the computers provided by their schools and workplaces to come with Linux, and to do the things they need a computer to do. We have only limited ability to affect things for the middle bunch. Reacting negatively to things that make one feel stupid is human nature. We can try to give them realistic expectations of their actual skill levels before they start. We can try to make things not break when people mistakenly do Windows-only things on not-Windows. We can try to be patient, as it comes up, to help people continue their journey rather than loudly bounce off.

Your entire comment is 100% right. And after thinking about it some more, I think presenting the middle group with the option of Linux, while being essentially the only group any of us have the chance to affect, is mostly a waste of time on both sides. They want Windows, and Linux is never going to be Windows. But there's something to be said for the middle group pushing their way through to being part of the second group—which I was definitely a part of. I knew very little about computers before I installed Linux, but I was pretty familiar with Windows. Now I feel like I know a few things about computers.

I would certainly never have tried Linux had I not been presented with the option. But I was never desperate to leave Windows, so I wasn't as concerned with feature parity. I was just curious. And very familiar with feeling stupid, anyway

We can try to make things more familiar and easier to transition to (and we should!), but in the end I feel like the only thing we can give the middle group is a reason. A reason to give Linux a try. Nothing more than that; the rest is up to them. And no hard feelings either way...it's your computer, after all. And for everyone else, it's up to the corporates, schools, and governments as you say. Completely out of our hands.

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Quoting: HighballBTW, how do the folks down under even work with their keyboards upside down?

What I don't get is how you guys use computer rodents with the tail facing you.

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Quoting: Pengling

Quoting: Mangojuicedrinker(I never asked/pushed him though, he simply turned the PC on to try it himself and now has a new view on Linux..)

This! It really needs to be underscored how important it is to not push people and/or evangelise about Linux to them - that can so easily create pushback in a lot of people, especially less-tech-inclined types, and it's something they won't soon forget.

Ultimately it's their computer and their choice. Let them ask you, if they care at all.

And lastly...Linux is not the solution to Windows problems, so it shouldn't be presented like it is when someone asks for help with their Windows computer.

When should it be presented as an option? When someone is looking for a new computer or wondering if there's something better. They've now demonstrated willingness to uproot their current computing lifestyle and try something new, something few people are brave enough or have enough time to do. You can't convince someone to try something new; they need to be open to it already, and when they are, you're presenting an option, not trying to convince them of something.

And while we're at it, I really think the Cult of Linux would be a whole lot more successful if we reduced the number of steps from 12 to 5. Does it really need to be a 12-step program? That's just going to confuse newcomers.

But then, I've never successfully inducted a new member myself, so I might just be talking nonsense. To be fair, I've never tried.

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