Quoting: Purple Library GuyLots of things are liberating and yet should not be done.
Some are liberating and yet not only should not be done, but also have no point.

What should be done and what has no point are both subjective. Neither of us are right or wrong on that front.

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I hated their earlier game Hatch but i'll give a free demo a try.

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Quoting: areamanplaysgameHey, have you figured out why you don't have friends yet?

Do you really think someone like me cares about having friends ? I have two friends and a wife, i'm good. I can be charming if I want to be, it's just that 99% of the time I simply don't care how i'm perceived. Quite liberating and you should try it.

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If you give money to a company to play game that uses scumbag DRM don't be surprised when that scumbag DRM screws you over. Don't worry they're having fun spending your money.

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: PublicNuisanceChicken and the egg. If gamers don't support FOSS games how will they ever get to be on par ?

I don't think that's even possible. FOSS works on timeless products that can be worked on (and used) for many years. Most games are very much a quick turn around thing with a limited lifespan. It requires a lot of effort in a relatively short time which can't reasonably be set up as a FOSS environment.

Well you can believe what you want but I believe one can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. If people are angry about a closed source game closing down it's servers but won't try to help support FOSS alternatives that wouldn't have that issue then I have zero sympathy when they whine about it. They continue to give money to the companies screwing them over and want to whine about how they continue to screw them over. Insansity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Wow, your tone. So condescending. No-one is "whining" - not a single person on this thread could be considered to be whining. And what are you suggesting exactly - that we all stop buying proprietary games and only "buy" (presumably, offer support to) FOSS games?? No-one... not a single person... is going to do that.

Because nothing is ever as black or white as you're making out. I buy my Steam games, and I enjoy playing them. Ain't gonna stop doing that. But I'm also a patreon supporter of Godot Engine and Wine-Staging (and Wikimedia, and a handful of other good causes), and I've bought a few games on Steam that are free elsewhere, like Tales of Maj'Eyal.

But what really gets me with your attitude is that I don't even KNOW how to better support FOSS gaming and you've offered nothing specific. Liam maintains a list of free games on this very site, but none of them have particularly well established, obvious ways to support them. Some only want contributors, some might want money, but often don't have an easy way to take donations. Some simply want publicity. Even a super-star FOSS game like SuperTux doesn't take money on its steam page. Pretty frustrating.

It would be great if these projects just spun up an Itch.io page and stuck their games under PWYW. But it doesn't look like many do, so in practical terms, how on earth does someone "support FOSS alternatives".

A contributing editor to a Linux gaming website doesn't know how to support FOSS projects. This is the state of Linux gaming. You mention Super Tux for instance, how could anybody figure out how to support them ? If only there was a donate button on the main page of their website. Oh wait there is.

https://www.supertux.org/

I'll let you search for it, if it takes you more than 30 seconds to spot it then that's on you.

https://tuxemon.org/

Donate button at the top of the page.

https://veloren.net/

Donate button at the top of the page

https://www.vega-strike.org/

Donate button at the bottom of the page

https://www.redeclipse.net/

Donate button at the top of the page

Need I go on ? You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not be able to figure out how to donate to a FOSS project. How about even going to Liberapay or Open Collective and search "FOSS" or "game" and you'll come up with a few hits. I swear humanity is at the stage where tying one's own shoes is a difficult task for many.

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Playing at 15FPS is being pushed as a benefit ? We're truly entering console levels of stupidity. I remember when console kids were trying to argue that being limited to 30 FPS was better for art. I'll stick with my 144hz screen thank you very much.

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: PublicNuisanceChicken and the egg. If gamers don't support FOSS games how will they ever get to be on par ?

I don't think that's even possible. FOSS works on timeless products that can be worked on (and used) for many years. Most games are very much a quick turn around thing with a limited lifespan. It requires a lot of effort in a relatively short time which can't reasonably be set up as a FOSS environment.

Well you can believe what you want but I believe one can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. If people are angry about a closed source game closing down it's servers but won't try to help support FOSS alternatives that wouldn't have that issue then I have zero sympathy when they whine about it. They continue to give money to the companies screwing them over and want to whine about how they continue to screw them over. Insansity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

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Quoting: KimyrielleYou mean the entire handful of FOSS games that are somewhat on par with commercial games?

Chicken and the egg. If gamers don't support FOSS games how will they ever get to be on par ? Have you actually looked at the finances of most FOSS game projects ? Many gamers here are more than willing to shell out thousands of dollars a year on closed source games but unwilling to give even $1 to a FOSS game.

Quoting: scaineThat's not really particularly fair here. Someone has to pay for multiplayer servers to run. And the core game itself remains playable here, it's only the MP elements that are going away.

I suppose one big advantage that FOSS offers is that the game could re-engineered for LAN play though. That would work with some games, perhaps.

I'm all for FOSS in games, but realistically I suspect it'll be decades before we see any traction in this direction due to the complexity of modern games (art, music, script, voice, animations, textures, AI, physics, shader programming, core programming, plus any other middleware etc).

I notice you say unfair and not inaccurate. Not to mention that this is another example of why having servers run by players is better than by publishers. The cost would be on the players but the game would only die when the last of the players stop playing.

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Closing down servers when they feel like it. One more reason to support FOSS gaming.

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Funny I have never seen them halt sales to the United States citizens any time their military kills innocent civilians. Weird how that works.

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