Now that I think of the Nintendo v Emulator lawsuit -- how would this effect Proton ???

If successful could Microsoft launch a lawsuit and say WINE is illegal? as it "Circumvents the intended use-case" ???

Honestly Fuck Nintendo for trying to ruin the gaming industry. This is the Unity Fiasco all over again.

Edit: I hope Nintendo gets gutted like SEGA and realized the idiocracy of their ways -- namely that they sell "content", and if people are playing their games in "unwanted ways" they are fucking idiots for __ NOT FUCKING SELLING THEIR CONTENT ON STEAM __

Gabe Newell is Right Again! 'Piracy Is A Service Problem'

Nintendo is having a identity crisis and still thinks they are a "hardware company" -- welcome to the future where hand-held game devices are a dime a dozen, don't let the door hit your ass.

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(In recent history Nintendo paid Japan Influencers __NOT__ to cover PalWorld in Japan -- you know ... instead of actually make a **good** Pokemon game that has the same features. Nintendo can't even fathom that their fans are (1) not children and (2) 30 and 40 years olds. As if everywhere outside their xenobubble is exactly like Japan where adults don't have time for fun.)

Quoting: elmapulsony tried to remove movies from people who purchased then, it failed with discovery content but then they did it again with animes from funimation after they acquired it and shut down the service

Exactly, when all entertainment is a service then Music on Spotify, Movies on Netflix, can quietly remove content and dictate to the masses what is and isn't morally acceptable (we use to have a word for this for err... the last several thousands years I think it began with a ch).

And then what happens when a multi-million dollar disaster "AAAA" game (as ubisoft calls it) is unable to compete against Baldurs Gate 3, Stardew Valley, Earthbound or some other garage made game? ** Poof **

As Pink Floyd's 'Welcome to the Machine' song puts it:

 
What did you dream?
It's all right we told you what to dream

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Scumbag Nintendo moment.

This is a war on content preservation. They are trying to "burn all the books" of the library of Alexandria.

They don't want you to be able to play old games, or have access to old cultural content, old movies, old music, old anything...

This is the New Global Cultural Revolution. And Nintendo is their white knight to set legal precedent to take away your private property rights.

They are replacing your "rights" with "privileges" -- and when you are a bad boy they will just "turn off your privileges" to the things you worked and paid for.

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Now that their stock has exploded and market cap has broken 200 billion, they can finally afford to make a open source driver right guys?

Maybe if we beg harder and white knight more sempai will notice us and finally respect us.

I may still be paying off my home loan to buy a Novidia GPU but they're gonna finally give us a fully open source driver that respects us real soon right guys?

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Quoting: GuestRunning some numbers, it looks like System76 runs better deals for us in the US.

Also, I don't want to start a flame war, but isn't Manjaro a bad operating system? I heard multiple Linux people say that it's not good.

But flame wars are a SOAP opera and good for website viewership, haven't you heard ;) :P /s

Kidding aside, Manjaro's reputation is a bit ... infamous? They had some internal developer conflict over how to spend donations on dev equipment, their scripts DDoSed Arch repositories a couple times on accident, they had expired SSL certificates, I've known IRL people who have used their OS with mixed results (What i mean by that is that Manjaro was easier to install at the time and Arch was a better experience and more stable)

All in all as a judge of character I would probably esteem them as having a slight immaturity, having growing pains and some judgement and execution of vision imperfections.

In the same way that Purism has gotten a lot of vitrol criticism over the years, I am happy to forgive each as their contributions to the ecosystem have been invaluable.

Now, to reverse the criticism Manjaro has done a lot of good providing a low barrier to Arch (gateway drug, kidding ;P), and I do think their KDE Mobile Manjaro stack is a feather in their cap. Although their hardware is of no interest to me personally I do credit them for making it more common to have Linux First hardware.

At the end of the day the old saying comes to Mind

QuoteDon't let the perfect be the enemy of the good

Manjaro has done well overall, I wouldn't expect perfection but they are pretty good, a solid 8 or 8.5 out of 10.

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In the dark ages the black smiths and industry businesses used to get together and raise prices in lockstep so the consumer had no choice but to pay.

Sometimes Nvidia and Intel feel the same. To Intel's credit they have a open driver but it seems in the mobile space Nvidia has had a unbreakable monopoly with the right people in Asia.

The iron fist of somebody holding blackmail almost.

It really makes me wonder why there aren't competitive options.

AMD clearly has made inroads with getting all the game console contracts.

I don't think the industry is as tonedeaf as they pretend to be.

I think there is a invisible force and buko Nvidia bucks that know how to make sure these "vendors" keep making the "correct choice" Chicago mafia style.

The Linux market clearly wants AMD* for the open source driver for years and the consumer options for a beefy AMD GPU-Tank have been slim to none.

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Glad to see the giants doing battle for my dollar.

As usually I'll hold off my optimism until I see exactly what the product is.

Net negatives will be if they do why Tony Hawk did at launch
- DRM
- No play offline

You could probably just pick up Skate 3 used for 10 bucks and run it in the PlayStation 3 emulator or whatever too if this doesn't pan out.

I'll buy in if they don't sell out and they actually respect their customers, I held off the TonyHawk for a while, then played it a lot and now it doesn't really have the same appeal -- the specials sound is annoying, I'm stuck only playing 1 character unless I just can't figure it out and the progression system of unlocking boards and tricks is tedious and not exciting. It was a great upgrade from Tony Hawk HD and the originals overall but I think as the Skate series has demonstrated this genre of game has room for new winners and improvements.

I tried those other party skate games Skate XL and man did I hate it. With some luck this will be my go-to if they bake it right.

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It's hard to take people seriously when comments are basically 'Windows good, Linux bad' --

I felt this was a good counter-argument:

Quoting: Purple Library GuyThe Windows UI works badly for that use case [Small form factor touch devices]

Quoting: Purple Library Guyit's [...] closed source and controlled by a vast unresponsive corporation

Another gem, imagine [Valve] wanting to be business partner with a company [Microsoft] that (1) doesn't care what Valve wants and (2) wants you dead (so Microsoft Windows Store can have 100% of profits and answer to no one.)

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: GuestA locked down linux distro is no different than using a proprietary distro

That statement is categorically false. It most certainly is very different. [...] GPL

This was a fantastic counter-argument as well. SteamOS and Linux-distros can be legally forked and developed by anyone for any reason or for no particular reason either. Microsoft Windows cannot be forked, it's (1) take it or (2) leave it -- and, if they do things users don't like user's options are (1) whine harder into the void or (2) be quit about it, or (3) take it. "No different" lmao. What bad faith of a self acclaimed expert.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyIf someone wanted to [...] release a version that was identical to SteamOS [...] but not immutable, there is nothing to stop them.

As it was pointed out above in the thread, SteamOS immutability can be turned off. It's literally just Arch-Linux but frozen with extras. I literally had turned off the immutability when I was modding my SteamOS for research purposes.

And I'm sure if I added the official mirrors to `/etc/pacman.conf` `/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist` and did a software update `pacman -Syu` it would diverge in the same way that I turned Sabayon into a Gentoo back in the day simply by using `emerge`.

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His avatar is literally the Wayland Logo in a trash can, he obviously has strong opinions and is quick to judge -- but the real funny part is when people are willing to dish out harsh criticism but can't take their own medicine.

Paper skin, glass homes.

But hey 'Wind0ze good, Lunix bad' -- is basically a straw-man -- I'll take that claim any day because it's a "belief" that's extremely easy to defeat using logic and reasoning similar to "one size fits all" -- it's not even offensive -- it just comes off as Microsoft shill bate, gatekeepers angry at the influx of new people, and an inferior enemy (Microsoft) loosing the battle.

And as for his 'I'm a great Linux Warrior of many years and da open source' claims -- his profile is set to private, and I would like to know exactly what "Great battles" and "Great achievements" he was referencing. Like okay move over Lennart Poettering, if you want to be a aggro belligerent genius with a narcissism personality disorder -- that's fine by me -- people will tolerate you to an extent -- but _only_ if you deliver. So far all the logical arguments are "not delivering" and "not standing up" at all -- which makes it baseless vitrol. So far, in the end everyone's time was wasted, the popcorn eaters got theirs, and I guess the recompensation would be the "fitness gains" of another walk in the park debate, piece of cake.

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Quoting: pbI wonder what's keeping Valve from just officially releasing SteamOS for general use.

Opinion answer. It's in Valve's best interest to _NOT_ publish SteamOS for general consumption.

SteamOS is a brand name, and similar to Redhat Enterprise Linux RHEL when you buy that thing you are buying the brand, and it's in RHEL's best interest to make sure any "other party" work is done under another name -- CentOS (historically.)

I suspect Valve knows after the initial Steam Machine release that it can be problematic having 5 different companies each try to roll their own -- can you imagine you're average Niche 5th world Linux Gamer complaining on the internet

Quote"Y SteamOEZ No Work With my 266Mhz Pentium 2 Processor and some obscure graphics card from 2006 ????"

But seriously, for quality control to be a thing you have to narrow the band of hardware and expectations -- Valve has a good thing going, and the reputation of Steam Deck and SteamOS are on the line, and if I had to guess whether releasing for general consumption would _enhance_ or _detract_ from their reputation I would think It would detract.

Being a member of this community for like 24 years I know it's hard for us to accept certain basic truths that differ from our individual truths -- namely most people _don't want to_ _EVER_ install _X random OS_ on _Y hardware_ and just "hope it works" -- if it literally doesn't come from the store with that exact software -- they literally _WILL NOT_ spend more than 0 hours trying to figure out -- some people "don't have fun" exploring new software things.

It just gets increasingly hard as people get older to have enough time as it is for other things that demand time.

Fewer hardware targets for Valve is a good thing when it comes to trojan horsing Linux to the mainstream. Just look at android I'm going to guess it trojan horsed Linux 4 billion times into consumer hands -- 1 thing.

Computer hardware keeps reaching new milestones and if programmers can't target the cpu and gpu power of the Steam Deck in a non-wasteful way it's never going to happen. At some point the jump between 100GB and 1000GB assets just doesn't have a practical return other than giving programmers more to be wasteful with -- source: am programmer.

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QuoteFlathub has served just about 1.6 billion downloads, has over 2,400 apps

Very impressive, congratulations to @all. The quality of FOSS on the store is great, and while predicting the future is hard -- I am modestly optimistic about their efforts to make a commercial area of the store someday.

Similar to the debate when Proton was first announced, I think that such a development would have a net-positive effect and we could start getting commercial developers income so we can improve Linux' image to commercial developers and get ourselves some great pro-tools.

I happened to be on FlatHub searching the chatapps the other day and it's really great to have such a resource to discover new leads. Long gone is the day of browsing text entries on synapsis on ubuntu and wondering what each package was or even if it was actively developed.

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