Quoting: Liam DaweWhat this doesn't mean is Plasma is going to get "dumbed-down"

Are you talking to me?

Seriously, I was referring to SteamOS "custom KDE interface", from what I read, that might be dumbed-down (really look forward to see what Valve means by "custom KDE"). I don't expect stock KDE to be "dumbed-down", but sane defaults can't be a bad thing. I even proposed the idea of a "dumbed-down" fork of KDE, in the other thread:

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/kde-developer-thinks-they-will-become-the-windows-or-android-of-the-foss-world/comment_id=214078

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Because what it tells me it's that if, at some point, it's possible to play all games on the Steam Deck (meaning third party launchers too) as simple as click install (no matter how it's done), we might see the Steam Deck eating into the Steam desktop market share, no matter the OS. In the long term, the Steam Deck might just replace a portion of the desktops that will have started to collect dust... Would it be bad?

Obviously it's only applicable for those that use their PCs exclusively for gaming and are interrested in the Steam Deck.

By the way, I dislike doing anything on my cell phone too, but sometimes, it's at arms reach and easier to pick up, just like the Steam Deck will probably be (only the arms reach and easier to pick up parts, I mean).

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But what I would like to know is how many people, in Steam user pool, are like me:

One computer for work, supplied by the company that hired them and a personnal gaming rig that is used only for that: gaming. Everything else is done on smartphones nowadays... My daughter has a Win10 laptop and it's barely used anymore. Little gaming, here and there and all else, from video editing to photos/photo editing is done on cell phone too... Similar for my son, except he's more of a gamer. Are we weird phenomenons?

I hear the eternal "photoshop gig" to explain why Linux is not catching up on the desktop, but is it still that much true? I have the feeling that we are in an era where the versatility of desktops is mainly exploited at work... Am I wrong to think so?

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Quoting: F.UltraNot really sure what ARM vs x86 have to do with the issue either since all Android apps are written in Java/Dalvik and not ARM anyway.

Imo, this is too technical for newcomers. What they want to know it's if it's going to run on their computer, plug & play style. Not what tech it uses. If the answer is yes, there is an hardware interrelation. If not, the chain is broken and they will stick to Windows. As simple as that.

Sure thing, if the Steam Deck is successfull and it doesn't translate into Linux desktop gain, nothing will. It's going to be a good indication, imo, that aside from tech savy users, Linux is best suited for dedicated hardware with single use mindset.

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MohandevirExcept you can't run Stadia or Stadia games locally, on any hardware. The hardware platform is not relevant, in this particular case. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.

no you are not clear at all.
you tried to justify that android didnt helped the linux desktop because android is (mostly) arm devices...
but then you quoted stadia as if it was in the same category as android, and its not...

No. Don't try speaking on my behalf, you are totally wrong... Please read again my sentence in my first post. That's not how it's constructed. There is absolutely no mention of ARM in the whole Stadia sentence. You made a shortcut or misunderstood. Sorry.

Edit: The same category you are referring to is not "ARM"... It's "no interrelation with the desktop". That was my intent from the start.

Well you did write "You are comparing ARM hardware with x86... There is absolutely no hardware interrelations between them. Same for Stadia, there are no interrelations with the desktop", it's quite easy to be confused with the "Same for Stadia" that just followed the whole ARM vs x86.

Not really sure what ARM vs x86 have to do with the issue either since all Android apps are written in Java/Dalvik and not ARM anyway.

If Android influenced something, it's the adoption of Chromebooks. Is it possible to easily run Android apps on other Linux distributions, as in "for new Linux users"? Don't think so... Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

But I must admit that I could have changed paragraph, before talking about Stadia to mark the change of subject. Still the ";" marks the explanation to why there is no hardware interrelations.

Pretty semantic, that discussion.

But saying that I'm dishonnest is pretty far fetched.

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MohandevirExcept you can't run Stadia or Stadia games locally, on any hardware. The hardware platform is not relevant, in this particular case. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.

no you are not clear at all.
you tried to justify that android didnt helped the linux desktop because android is (mostly) arm devices...
but then you quoted stadia as if it was in the same category as android, and its not...

No. Don't try speaking on my behalf, you are totally wrong... Please read again my sentence in my first post. That's not how it's constructed. There is absolutely no mention of ARM in the whole Stadia sentence. You made a shortcut or misunderstood. Sorry.

Edit: The same category you are referring to is not "ARM"... It's "no interrelation with the desktop". That was my intent from the start.

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MohandevirYou are comparing ARM hardware with x86... There is absolutely no hardware interrelations between them. Same for Stadia, there are no interrelations with the desktop; you can't run stadia on any hardware. Steam, on the other hand... SteamOS is Steam Linux both on x86 platform. Proton works on both too... Same underlying tech... The link cannot be clearer.

except that Stadia IS x86

Except you can't run Stadia or Stadia games locally, on any hardware. The hardware platform is not relevant, in this particular case. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.

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Quoting: GuestWhat I was more referring to was that the Deck won't replace anyone already using a laptop, or a desktop

Replace? No. Runnning alongside. Sure. Remember that the initial batch is for users who already have a valid Steam account, thus already have a gaming rig? 95% of the market is running Windows. Some of them might be tempted to use Linux (SteamOS) if the Steam Deck experience is great.

Quoting: Guest... but I don't see it driving GNU/Linux adoption...

Remember that there is already an uptick in Linux usage since Valve announced the Steam Deck? Look at the latest Steam hardware survey and the Steam Deck is not even released, yet.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: MohandevirAnd for many newcomers that have no knowledge of Linux, we need a "dumbed down" distribution. SteamOS will probably be exactly that.

I actually doubt that. SteamOS seems likely to be a bit too specialized to make a good "dumbed down" general use desktop. Great for running games, not so great for editing photos or documents or whatever.

Still think we are at the beginning of something. Really look forward to see what will be installable on SteamOS... Flatpaks and appimages seem to be the way to go, for SteamOS. If it's available in one of those formats, why couldn't be?

Edit1: Who knows? Flathub may become a big winner, in this case...

Edit2: Specialized? Please define... To me, it's still Arch Linux, with the same drivers and KDE desktop. Certainly it will have a minimal set of software pre-installed... I would have used the term "barebone". Which might be less scary for newcomers.



Looks like a standard KDE desktop to me...

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Nocifer

Quoting: Guestto Capcom this isn't GNU/Linux, this is something closer to Just Another Console(tm).

And that's more than fine for the time being. Every journey begins with a first step, does it not? At this point all we really want and all we can really ask for is that games can run in an easy and competitive (performance-wise) manner on Linux, so that PC users aren't forced to use Windows if they want to also play games; and the Steam Deck's success will facilitate that. If and when this success becomes a reality, then we can start asking for more.

Sames arguments were made for Stadia too.

The Deck might differ if people are convinced to use the desktop mode, but phones have had exactly that and it's changed nothing. There's just no incentive that I can see.
Purely guesswork on all our parts of course, but I'm going with it won't change anything on the desktop.

You are comparing ARM hardware with x86... There is absolutely no hardware interrelations between them. Same for Stadia, there are no interrelations with the desktop; you can't run stadia on any hardware. Steam, on the other hand... SteamOS is Steam Linux both on x86 platform. Proton works on both too... Same underlying tech... The link cannot be clearer.

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