QuotePersonally, I'm getting seriously tempted by DEATH STRANDING on Steam as it's 60% off and seems to work well with Steam Play Proton nowadays and it seems it hasn't seen a higher discount yet.

I bought it, couple of minutes ago, before reading this article...

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https://www.protondb.com/app/1088850

Mmmm... Let's hope they catch up real quick... That's the kind of release that needs to be supported day one, on Proton. Could be a sore spot for the Steam Deck.

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Quoting: MohandevirJust installed Kubuntu 20.04 this weekend... I was using Pop_OS! for the last year and half, or so.

I've been pleasantly surprised with KDE... Gnome required me to uncheck "Allow flipping", in the Nvidia control panel, to prevent screen flickering while streaming from my Nvidia GPU rig to my Nvidia Shield. I also had to disable the HDMI audio output to prevent audio degradation (it usually happened after 15 to 20 mins of playtime). All of those issues also affected KDE, before I decided to settle with Pop_OS! (tested it back then).

This time, I didn't had to do any of those tweaks on KDE. No flickering, no audio degradation after a 1 hour run, friday evening and a 2 hour run, yesterday.

Nice progression by the KDE team! Crossing my fingers that it keeps on going this way!

Valve's implication in Kwin support at work here?

Edit: It brings me back full circle... It all started with Kubuntu 7.10, for me.

Did you know that you can install KDE on Pop!_OS? It's the same repos as Kubuntu too.

sudo apt install kde-standard

Yep! I know and tried on many occasions... It's just that it's always half baked and not totally integrated... I'm not a big fan of running multiple DE on the same OS, but thanks for the proposition.

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Just installed Kubuntu 20.04 this weekend... I was using Pop_OS! for the last year and half, or so.

I've been pleasantly surprised with KDE... Gnome required me to uncheck "Allow flipping", in the Nvidia control panel, to prevent screen flickering while streaming from my Nvidia GPU rig to my Nvidia Shield. I also had to disable the HDMI audio output to prevent audio degradation (it usually happened after 15 to 20 mins of playtime). All of those issues also affected KDE, before I decided to settle with Pop_OS! (tested it back then).

This time, I didn't had to do any of those tweaks on KDE. No flickering, no audio degradation after a 1 hour run, friday evening and a 2 hour run, yesterday.

Nice progression by the KDE team! Crossing my fingers that it keeps on going this way!

Valve's implication in Kwin support at work here?

Edit: It brings me back full circle... It all started with Kubuntu 7.10, for me.

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Quoting: STiAT

Quoting: MohandevirBefore worrying about the 100% compatibility mark, I would try to get the same tests on Windows 10-11 with Windows games... It might be lower than 90%.

Ex: My son was never able to run Batman Arkham Asylum on Windows... I did with Proton.

I mean... 100% support doesn't exist, even on Windows, so...

The difference to Windows is that they target one hardware platform. Steam Deck has one hardware configuration. That's doable. They've hired external testers and are hiring for their internal team to get that curated and to provide (according to valve) verification within a week.

A week is nothing in the time of game development.

I'm actually not wondering if they can test 50.000 games. I am wondering if they have the means to improve then when they find out 20 % are not running properly, since that will very likely be more intensive, and having 10k games to improve is for sure no easy task for a small team as Valve is. Except if the original game developers help on that, either paid or on their own accord.

I'm seeing a lot of proton based updates to games (not proton itself, but the actual games updating), so I think that devs are actively working on making their games run on the deck. That's a good sign and will help us all (unless the new settings and improvements only work on steam deck).

There certainly seems to be a lot of interest in steam deck by developers. They probably do that with their existing titles to have the skills for their next title to come, but still that's interesting. Game devs hardly every showed any interest in that.

Yep! I really do think that game devs caring for the Steam Deck (which seems to be the case) is going to help compatibility for the games that got released in the last couple of years and for futur titles. Since it's a stable platform (one hardware and software target), it's going to be a lot easier for them to support. On top of that, Valve is taking on themselves the task of expanding the Proton compatibility for a maximum of desktop hardware configuration.

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Quoting: randyl

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: randyl

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: randylBatman_Arkham_Asylum_Game_of_the_Year_Edition/) works on Windows 11. I just tested it.

But it proves how random things are, even on Windows. The issue my son got, with this games, is largely documented on support sites... He is not alone. On my end, just turning on ProtonGE makes the game run. We have same spec computers (except for the GPU, both Nvidia though).

That's true for Linux users as well. A native game may or may not work on a given distro which is why Valve offers SLR (the Ubuntu container) because what Linux compat often means is just Ubuntu support. Proton doesn't work consistently either as you point out. You needed to install a Glorious Eggroll compile of Proton to make things work as intended. Gaming has always been like this since the days of DOS, Amiga, and OS2 before Windows and Linux.

You said, someone should test whether these things work on Win10/11 and then submitted a game you said doesn't work on Windows. I tested it, since someone curious asked, and it works for me. You know, like when you can't compile an app at work and the author shrugs and says, "It works on my machine."

It proves my point nonetheless... 100% compatibility on Windows doesn't exist. That's all I was saying. I never said it was better on Linux. Batman AA was just an example that I know is problematic for many Windows users. It works for you? Great for you!

If 90% of games are working on Linux being native or with Proton, it's probably in the same range than Windows games on Windows. We are not even talking about the fact that the Steam Deck is a dedicated hardware that will probably have more compatibility than any PC and it's millions of possible hardware combinations (software + hardware).

Windows users don't think games have 100% compatibility so I'm not sure where you got the idea that is a thing. Games age and stop working on newer OS versions just like Linux. I can tell you with absolute certainty that more games work on Windows overall and the experience is smoother, but there are some edge cases where they do work better through Proton. I don't think that's a great comparison or standard for Linux land to try and live up to. What's important is that the experience on Linux distros both through Proton and natively are satisfying. And most importantly for the Deck is that the games that are rated to play well do that, and I think they will.

Exactly what I'm saying from the begining. I realise that the Batman example just added some confusion to the discussion. My bad. Sorry.

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Quoting: randyl

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: randylBatman_Arkham_Asylum_Game_of_the_Year_Edition/) works on Windows 11. I just tested it.

But it proves how random things are, even on Windows. The issue my son got, with this games, is largely documented on support sites... He is not alone. On my end, just turning on ProtonGE makes the game run. We have same spec computers (except for the GPU, both Nvidia though).

That's true for Linux users as well. A native game may or may not work on a given distro which is why Valve offers SLR (the Ubuntu container) because what Linux compat often means is just Ubuntu support. Proton doesn't work consistently either as you point out. You needed to install a Glorious Eggroll compile of Proton to make things work as intended. Gaming has always been like this since the days of DOS, Amiga, and OS2 before Windows and Linux.

You said, someone should test whether these things work on Win10/11 and then submitted a game you said doesn't work on Windows. I tested it, since someone curious asked, and it works for me. You know, like when you can't compile an app at work and the author shrugs and says, "It works on my machine."

It proves my point nonetheless... 100% compatibility on Windows doesn't exist. That's all I was saying. I never said it was better on Linux. Batman AA was just an example that I know is problematic for many Windows users. It works for you? Great for you!

If 90% of games are working on Linux being native or with Proton, it's probably in the same range than Windows games on Windows. We are not even talking about the fact that the Steam Deck is a dedicated hardware that will probably have more compatibility than any PC and it's millions of possible hardware combinations (software + hardware).

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: GuestSo, this is essentially a Proton whitelist 2.0. The one that Valve have abandoned after a couple of Proton releases.

I do hope that native Linux games will get their check and hopefully their badge early.

Not sure about this one... Have you tried running Shadow of Mordor native on anything else than Ubuntu? The "Unsupported OS" pop-up window is pretty anoying. Not sure it qualifies for the "Supported" badge.

Played through it on Debian, yes. I'm not saying they'll all get their badge "for free". They'd need to get rid of the message at least for SteamOS.

Not to mention the CPU Governor one that is, from what I understand, not really relevant anymore (new CPU governor in latest kernel that it doesn't account for). These Feral ports could be updated to remove these alerts and probably the Feral launcher too, imo.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: GuestSo, this is essentially a Proton whitelist 2.0. The one that Valve have abandoned after a couple of Proton releases.

I do hope that native Linux games will get their check and hopefully their badge early.

Not sure about this one... Have you tried running Shadow of Mordor native on anything else than Ubuntu? The "Unsupported OS" pop-up window is pretty anoying. Not sure it qualifies for the "Supported" badge.

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Quoting: randylBatman_Arkham_Asylum_Game_of_the_Year_Edition/) works on Windows 11. I just tested it.

But it proves how random things are, even on Windows. The issue my son got, with this games, is largely documented on support sites... He is not alone. On my end, just turning on ProtonGE makes the game run. We have same spec computers (except for the GPU, both Nvidia though).

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