Windows 11... When will they learn? Pfff...

This said, when fully supported by a Linux handheld distro... I'm so fed up with Asus, I would give it a shot first, but I'll wait for the Steam Deck 2.

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Quoting: eldarion

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: eldarionAnd this is why you should not rent a game (which is what you do when purchase anything on steam).

Please explain because, from my point of view, you will get this forced update, no matter where you bought the game, else you will get blocked from playing the game. It's not a renting or Steam issue, it's a live service game issue.

I was not referring to online games in particular, but the state of gaming in general. I'm sorry to bring this to you, Steam Deck lovers, but steam is an aweful store. You, as an open source OS users should know that. Or maybe not, if all you care is Steam Deck itself (no matter if it runs Linux, windows or temple OS).

I beg to differ, but I respect your point of view.

I have no intentions of starting that old debate again.

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Quoting: MohandevirBad wording from my part, I should have used "Windows" instead of "Microsoft", I admit. My bad.

On the happy side, Linux has advantages over Windows for gaming. Games can run better on Linux even when they aren't built, or optimised, or tested, for Linux, and it's much easier to put together a controller-friendly interface using the abstractions of the Linux ecosystem than it is to do the same in the integrated Windows ecosystem.

...And there is another thing to take into account, I do not have statistics to back this, but many PC gamers are DIY builders. Windows doesn't come preinstalled on these PC. If Valve releases a desktop version of SteamOS, it might lure a couple of them to our side. It's already begun.

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Quoting: CatKillerAfter they've got their iOS and Android stores to tie in with their DirectX box store and their Windows store, seeded with the biggest games in the industry... Everyone who buys a computer already having the Microsoft store and a Microsoft account

Please! Stop! I'm going to throw up!

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Quoting: CatKillerIt's not the only advantage. They've also got a subscription service, their own console line, and hundreds of game studios (including the - by far - largest ever gaming industry acquisition)

Yeah ok. We were talking about OS only, technologically speaking, but yeah, in a business sense, MS is much bigger than that. Still, MS games are on Steam and are quite nearly all playable on the Steam Deck/Linux Desktop, last time I checked? This is what we were talking about.

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Quoting: MohandevirUnfortunately, you are right about that. It's probably the only advantage that Microsoft still got over Linux, in gaming.

Bad wording from my part, I should have used "Windows" instead of "Microsoft", I admit. My bad.

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Quoting: eldarionAnd this is why you should not rent a game (which is what you do when purchase anything on steam).

Please explain because, from my point of view, you will get this forced update, no matter where you bought the game, else you will get blocked from playing the game. It's not a renting or Steam issue, it's a live service game issue.

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Quoting: MohandevirLet's just hope Microsoft end up locking them out of kernel access, just to make this a complete waste of time and money, for EA.

I guess that won't happen anytime soon (unless something EXTREMELY BAD happens, like a massive exploit and/or data breach), since -on purpose or not-, this allows M$ to gatekeep gaming and prevent desktop Linux and Linux-based handhelds to reach their maximum potential.

Unfortunately, you are right about that. It's probably the only advantage that Microsoft still got over Linux, in gaming. They will probably cling to it as long as possible even if giving kernel access to a game, which is absolutely not an essential service, doesn't make sense.

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Quoting: MohandevirIf Microsoft goes forward with this idea, all kernel level anticheats might become a thing of the past.

Unfortunately, it looks like this will go down the same path as when it happened years ago, where third party kernel rootkit authors will rightfully point out that Microsoft has an advantage if it kicks all other AV software off the kernel but its own.

Unless there's been developments on this that I missed?

In fact, there could be this piece of info:

"Industry analysts believe that limiting kernel access where possible makes sense."

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3483641/crowdstrike-backs-microsofts-demand-for-reducing-kernel-level-access.html

For games, it's totally possible, imo, but I'm not Microsoft.

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Quoting: ToddLGood thing I only cared about the Campaign mode on Battlefield 1 and finished that up after Battlefield V was infected with this POS anticheat.

Quoting: MohandevirLet's just hope Microsoft end up locking them out of kernel access, just to make this a complete waste of time and money, for EA.

If only that same logic can be applied to all kernel anticheats from companies like Activision and Riot Games.

I was referring to a discussion that Microsoft just started where they announced their intent to lock third parties from kernel access, following the Cloudstrike debacle (Liam published something on the subject).

If Microsoft goes forward with this idea, all kernel level anticheats might become a thing of the past. It doesn't mean that these games will automatically run on Linux, but I really hope it happens nonetheless, the sooner, the better.

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Let's just hope Microsoft end up locking them out of kernel access, just to make this a complete waste of time and money, for EA.

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