Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Purple Library GuyAnd I have every right to tell you your reaction is stupid (or nasty, or unconsciously racist, or whatever) and we can go on forever (I also have every right to say the moon is made of green cheese).

Uh, no. The only logical response to a criticism of a criticism is a justification. To criticize a criticism of a criticism would be ridiculous, it would only prove there was no reasoning behind the original criticism.

Say what? First, the man was talking about rights, not logic. As in "I can say whatever I want cuz right to free speech". Since such rules apply to all, I too could say whatever I want--this is at the level of syllogistic logic, it's not in dispute. Second, it's not illogical to criticize anything which seems flawed. If a criticism of a criticism seems to me flawed, it makes sense to point out the flaw in that c-of-c, ergo to criticize it. There is no point or need in justifying one's stance if the premise from which I would need to defend it is wrong.
So no, you're completely mistaken.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: ricki42

Quoting: Mountain ManBecause the question is entirely predicated on the fallacy of political correctness.

Political correctness isn't a fallacy, it's [[...] a term primarily used as a pejorative to describe language, policies, or measures which are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness). You calling something PC doesn't invalidate it. It's just a lazy way of dismissing somebody else's concerns.

You've got it the wrong way around. Political correctness is primarily used as a tool to silence dissenting opinions.

And yet, if we look at the pattern in this case, what we have is someone asking a question and being told to shut up on the basis that the question is "politically correct".

Look, the interviewer had every right to ask the question just as the developer had every right to wisely ignore it, and I have every right to point out that it was a stupid question. Do you understand how this whole freedom of speech thing works yet?

And I have every right to tell you your reaction is stupid (or nasty, or unconsciously racist, or whatever) and we can go on forever (I also have every right to say the moon is made of green cheese). But in that case, you shouldn't be complaining about political correctness, which is merely someone exercising their free speech rights to say it's nasty for people to say or do certain things. And you certainly shouldn't, by the standard you're espousing, be saying people shouldn't do political correctness. If it's free speech for the goose, it's free speech for the gander. You're inconsistent. You have the right to be inconsistent, but that doesn't make it reasonable.

Quoting: Mountain ManIt wouldn't bother me in the slightest. That is if I even noticed because I don't fixate on things like that.

Maybe I believe that coming from you. I sure as hell don't believe it's true of around half the responders on this thread. Sorry, but no, they could swear up and down until they were blue in the face and I'd be like "Yeah, right." Not that I think they're racist, exactly. But I do think they would be eminently capable both of seeing all-white-characters as not racist or problematic and of seeing all-black-characters as an obvious attempt to annoy them by bringing up race, and if the two didn't happen to happen right next to each other and nobody pointed it out, would see no inconsistency. And in a way it's true--it's even the point. In the world we live in, people do just happen to make all-white games (and movies, and so on)--quite often. And they don't just happen to make all-black games--ever. If we are willing to pay attention, that tells us something about the world we live in and who is, and is not, in charge of it, and who does, and does not, have the money to either buy the games or produce them.
Now the real core problem here is who is in charge and has the money, and who is not in charge and is broke. But the representation thing makes a difference. It is not foolish to ask questions about it. Just because you are not willing to think about an issue, does not mean it does not exist. It just means you are not willing to pay enough attention to gain an understanding of what's going on.

Now there has been a reasonable point made: Asking the question was rude, and also basically counterproductive if the point was to do a puff-piece on a Linux game. That may be so--but the "PC bullshit" rage is itself bullshit.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: ricki42

Quoting: Mountain ManBecause the question is entirely predicated on the fallacy of political correctness.

Political correctness isn't a fallacy, it's [[...] a term primarily used as a pejorative to describe language, policies, or measures which are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness). You calling something PC doesn't invalidate it. It's just a lazy way of dismissing somebody else's concerns.

You've got it the wrong way around. Political correctness is primarily used as a tool to silence dissenting opinions.

And yet, if we look at the pattern in this case, what we have is someone asking a question and being told to shut up on the basis that the question is "politically correct". I have seen this many times. So just which dissenting opinions are being silenced, here?

The logic I'm seeing is largely implicit rather than stated, but basically seems to be something like "There is no such thing as racism, so whatever people are wondering if it might in some way be racist isn't, so anyone questioning things that might be related to possible racism should shut up and never mention the subject again."
There are two problems with that
1. There very much is such a thing as racism, and it has not gone away.
2. If there actually weren't such a thing as racism, or if it really were effectively nonexistent in whatever context the question was raised, people wouldn't have to get so butthurt about it and feel such a need to stampede to shut down the conversation. But they do. Makes me wonder what everyone's so goddamn defensive about.

Now, consider. There are more nonwhite people in the world than white ones. And yet, for instance, one of the people commenting here and considering the question total political correctness assumed that the only possible alternative to having all whites would be to have "the token black guy". Um . . .
So tell me honestly--would it weird any of you out if the game just happened, without any particular explanation, to have all black and brown people on the train, including the main character? Betcha it would. Betcha there'd be people whining like crazy about how that, too, was political correctness gone wild or "reverse racism" or something--few would be assuming that it just happened to be that way. It would obviously be some kind of deliberate political statement, and one you would not appreciate. So then, if all whites is just how things happen to be but all blacks would be "politically correct bull****", what kind of situation are we in? A racist situation, even if nobody involved was thinking "I wanna screw over those &%#! blacks".

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Well, um . . . art snitched from other games, can't get much more "generic" than that, right?

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Quoting: throgh

Quoting: KimyrielleHandling graphics drivers in Linux is still an absolute pain and is probably THE single biggest obstacle for the average user to get a Linux based system ready for halfway serious gaming. Both AMD but also NVidia have to get their act together eventually and release something that installs with one click, you know...like in Windows. Right now we're a far cry from that. And no, NVidia isn't much better. Optimus. 'nuff said.

Interesting: I have no further problem running the driver installation. You want a one-click-installation? Stay with Windows. Simple as that. :D

Well, if we ever want Linux to become interesting for the 99% of the population -not- tech-savy enough to wrestle with complex command-line based installation procedures, we better DO become a bit more user friendly. No, I haven't had a real problem either. But I don't think the average person would be able to get NVidia drivers to run on an Optimus card (which is the most common NVidia based architecture on laptops if I am not totally mistaken.)

And yes, the person who said that GPU drivers should be installable via the distro's package manager from its standard repository is right. I don't really get why installing a GPU driver has be a completely different process than any other package either.

It should be different because when you're using the package manager you have to know what you're looking for. Way too easy for someone not knowledgeable about such things to either fail to find drivers in the package manager app, or find the wrong one. I don't mind the idea of it being in there, but that shouldn't be the primary method--there should be something in the hardware management side that says "This is what you want! Graphics card driver, over here!" Something that's discoverable even if you're not thinking specifically about drivers for your graphics card but are only dissatisfied with how the graphics are running and noodling around vaguely in the available management apps trying to figure out if anything can be done about that.
Which, as I noted above, current version of Linux Mint totally does.

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Quoting: throgh

Quoting: KimyrielleHandling graphics drivers in Linux is still an absolute pain and is probably THE single biggest obstacle for the average user to get a Linux based system ready for halfway serious gaming. Both AMD but also NVidia have to get their act together eventually and release something that installs with one click, you know...like in Windows. Right now we're a far cry from that. And no, NVidia isn't much better. Optimus. 'nuff said.

Interesting: I have no further problem running the driver installation. You want a one-click-installation? Stay with Windows. Simple as that. :D

Erm, no. I have no idea what Windows is like for this, but current Mint totally has one-click installation. In the control centre thingie there's a sub-app for graphics; it detects your card and gives you a list of possible drivers (open and closed) but recommends one. Click on the recommended one and badabing.

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Quoting: cRaZy-bisCuiTI do LOVE <3 RTS games! What do you mean by "another" RTS? I don't know ANY major RTS on Linux apart from the (still buggy) 0a.d. which I do love! I'm not sure though if I'll Cossacks - I just don't knot the game. I'm happy to see a day 1 release!

Well we have the Planetary Annihilation games and Company of Heroes 2 which are two traditional ones, but I meant "another" as in we will actually have another.

What about that pretty-looking one that happens in the dark? What was it called . . . Nightside! That was it.

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Quoting: lucifertdarkDisqus is so bad I've completely blocked it on my machine, I never want to see or use it. My thanks also for you not swapping to it, although never hearing from me again might be seen as a bonus by some. ;)

I'm not a huge fan of Disqus (and I'm perfectly happy that the commenting here is staying as is) but what really rots my socks is places that do Facebook commenting. Bastards. I am not going to get sucked into the Facebook morass just to comment on some stupid site.

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Quoting: MalOh God. You gotta read this.

My already low respect for consoletards got even lower. :O

Anyway, a Pearl among this moronic nonsense galore:

QuoteI've said it over and over, we're focused on the best place to play for gamers, not about creating walls.

Phil Spencer

Ooookay. What a weird hissy fit. I'm trying to wrap my head around the point of view . . . Sorry, can't resist, but it looks a lot like the reasoning behind opposing gay marriage.

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Quoting: ricki42The Windows store is even more restrictive than just no cross-buy. Apparently at least currently there's
* no SLI support
* Vsync is always on, g-sync/freesync doesn't work
* no overlays
* no .exe files, thus also no modding
* no overlays
* always borderless fullscreen
* no controllers other than the x-box controller
I just hope even many Windows gamers will draw the line at this point and not buy into this. At least a lot of people still remember GFWL and are skeptical.

Very succinct summary. I think in particular the no modding won't go over well. I wonder how PC gamers will take the controller thing.
And the screen thing suggests a question: How does this work with multiple monitors?

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