Quoting: GuestPeople losing patience with what is basically and early access product. The service hasn't even rolled out to everyone yet and people are whining. This is why gamers get the reputation they do.

I would be willing to bet cash that there will be new games added to coincide with the actual release of the service for anyone to sign up.

Really? the only reason we are accepting this shit is because we are comparing to what we have before: almost no triple A game at launch.

other people that used to have then instead of being treated as second class citizens wont swallow any shit that google throws at then just because its running linux or it can run on linux.

think about that:

they could have waited for the end of the beta test, but they didnt knew they would be beta testers.
they were the most loyal google fans and are being treated like shit.
google is famous for droping projects if they dont manage to be an sucess (and sucess in their metrics is having hundreds of millions of users, anything less than that and it simply dont worth to keep the project arround)
so people paid for an project, that they could just wait a bit more to get it for free (they would still have to buy the games, but not to sign unless they want to play in 4k)
they paid enough money to buy some extra games for other platforms, buy an new controller or join a little more to buy an console, and intead of being treated like vip, they are treated like shit.

google dont show any sign that he will not drop the project, everyone is losing their hopes, and the ones who want to believe, dont have any reason to think it will change, due to the lack of comunication from google and seen everyone arround give up on it.

most of google promisses were broken.

first: many people got an poor experience, the resolution dont matter when you are playing the game at minimum settings, with tons of input delay and in an unstable experience.

second: many of the promissed features were not there day 0, and google didnt give and preview on when they gonna be avaliable.

thirdy: the lack of games (2 months without any new one, they promissed many but didnt said if they would be indie or what, lack of supported devices (first they promissed any android device, then changed it to pixel only, promissed any pc running chrome changed that to chrome can only run on fullhd, promissed chromecast but it got too hot and it was only the chromecast bundled with this pack at launch, and without those devices they will not get the mainstream adoption that they need to create an sustainable experience for both developers and gamers)

not to mention you need and good unlimited connection to play it, not everyone has that, so its unlikely that the connection speed demand change in the near future and without that, it will not get the mainstream adoption that it needs to be sustainable.

playstation 4 sold one million of copies day in the first day of launch, that is what an sucess is like, selling that faster no developer would ignore that platform, and as an result more gamers could buy it knowing they would be able to play any triple A game that they want this gen.

compare that to stadia that already offer an worse experience than ps4 base (not to mention the pro), dont have the portability that an switch has (i mean, good luck with your mobile connection and data plan and only if you have a pixel)

and even if we accept things like that, google would have no reason to improve, so the things would be left the way they are.
google is not an small company that has to launch an beta before they make money to make the final product.
and linux not having many games in the past is not an excuse, bsd has 0 games yet ps4 has all, the first playstation came from 0 to hundreds of games at launch, and gamers purchased it so fast that the ones who did had the best support from developers (they had a lot of options to play)
they came out of nothing to everything quite quick, there is no room for small companies in this market anymore, if google dont act like the big companie they are, if they then selves dont believe in the product, why should we? or the other people that know nothing about linux, nor care?

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Quoting: SirLootALotIf a game is developed for only one platform it is not an exclusive. It becomes exclusive at the point where an agreement is done with whoever to exclude a certain platform from development.

for all intents and purposes, it dont matter, many games that we think on then as being nintendo games, arent developed by nintendo.
pokémon is actually made by gamefreak who owns one third of it.
some zelda games for gameboy where developed by capcom.
and in the end of the day, it dont matter why an game is exclusive, whats matter is the fact it is.

Quoting: SirLootALotIt is one thing to not care about a platform. Actively hindering that platform to prosper is a different thing.

it dont prevent the platform from being an sucess, sony counter attack nintendo exclusives with their own exclusives or exclusivity deals, the same goes for microsoft.
that is the only strategy that works.

Quoting: SirLootALotAlso I do not agree with your statement on Windows becoming the only gaming platform without exclusives. Yes Exclusives sell consoles. Without exclusives consoles would have to offer another benefit over the PC. If they can not do that they would die (rightfully so). However Linux and MacOS have been around without attention from game developers and do obviously offer a meaningful benefit for the user over Windows,

macOS have exclusives developed by apple or in exclusivity deals.
linux exclusives came mostly due to then not being able to exist on windows, since microsoft control some parts of it like explorer and dont allow alternatives for it.
even if linux had no advantage or exclusives some people would use it anyway due to ideology rather than pragmaticy.

its impossible to kill linux economically because it dont rely only on money to survive, even if all companies stop donating for it, it could rely on volunteers, but the same cant be said about almost anything.
and its not an matter of existing, sure linux may be an viable alternative for a few people, but for most people, its not really an option.
if i need an certain software to survive, and due to the low marketshare, its not worth for the company to develop such software for linux, linux is not an option for me.
if we had exclusives, the ony software that we might need to survive and not have, would be the ones developed by ms, apple or that had exclusivity deals by then.

we are 26 years without any significant growth, its time to learn that this strategy dont works, gamecube had more users than linux ever had (on desktop) in just 4~6 years, and its still considered an failure, ps2 had exclusives and all the most relevant games from its generation, it had more than 150 millions of users and reach this market in only 5~8 years.
just imagine if we had that + wine.

"consoles would have to offer another benefit over the PC."
software is what sells, gamecube was stronger than ps2, it didnt matter, ps2 sold more.
everyone says linux is better than windows, it dont matter, people will keep using windows.

honestly, the reason why linux dont grow isnt that people dont give it an try, it is because they give it an try and either hate it (due to the lack of games and softwares), or love it, but give up on using it due to the lack of games and software.

many games that were exclusives for xbox or playstation are being ported to windows now, its only proves that an temporary exclusive is enough, but without even that, we have no chance.

honestly, i my self am almost giving up and going back to windows, if valve nor google prove they can make the market change in favor of linux, i will just quit wasting my time and go back to where i can play the games i want.
i dont mind hold my breath for a few years to see the linux year, i waited ten years for that, but i will not hold in vain, and that is the same case for everyone.
linux is not growing not because there arent new users, but because for every new user we have, some one else goes back to windows.
and i dont want to be one of then, but ideology is the only reason holding me back, and it was proven over and over again that this ideology will change nothing.

there are still many games that i waited ten years to play on wine and still cant play, and this will never change with the things they way they are.

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lets donate to him, not only code, but money to make him not regreat this decision.
one of the reasons why so few developers open source their projects is because its less profitable.
if we want to change that...

er... i dont think they have an donate button, but we can still buy it.

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120 looks like a lot, but its just 10 per month.
hopefully, they are 10 triple a games, because indie we already have enough, and any platform can play then anyway so there is no point in playing then via streaming

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Quoting: SirLootALotEpic started timed exclusives on PC and now Stadia follows their lead. I can only consider that anti-consumer. Such practices greatly reduce the chances of me spending money on your service.

there is no such a thing a san world without exclusives.
there is either:
'sony get 20 exclusives, microsoft get 20 exclusives, nintendo get 20 exclusives, and everything else is multiplatform'
or
'almost everything is windows exclusive, other platforms have to try emulators to maybe be able to run something wit an crapy performance and an experience that vary from game to game, varing from run fine to run with tons of bugs.'

i used to be against exclusives too, but nowadays i see that this is an utopy.

microsoft is playing dumb breaking their own exclusivity deals because they know that, in an world without exclusives, anyone with the biggest marketshare win.

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' Since Google are pushing their own gaming service with Stadia, you wouldn't expect them to do this. Gaming is a massive and powerful market though, giving a big boost to Chrome OS and Chromebooks with advertising that it works with Steam could definitely make some waves.'

actually, chromeOS may be the reason for google to invest in stadia to begin with.
sure, gaming is a profitable market, but operating systems can be even more, and microsoft tried to use their power over the windows to compete against google in the past.

who dont remember windows replacing your default search engine on chrome or firefox for bing instead of google?
or replacing your default browser?
or instaling silverlight on your browser, against the will of the user or the browser vendor?
microsoft tried to sabotage their competition, and that was the reson for google to try the enter their market to begin with.

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'- Because the game is running in its own personal Xwayland sandbox desktop, it can't interfere with your desktop and your desktop can't interfere with it.'
good bye obs

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1)hatsune miku VR (come on, she is fucking copyleft! this game should have been avaliable for linux day 0)
2).hack G.U. Last Recode (i'm just waiting 10 years to play this)
3)blood stained
4)touhou (any of the zun games)

among others;
blazz blue
guilty gear
senran kagura
devil may cry
soul calibur
dead or alive
the neptunia games that dont run on proton already.
disgaea 1 (we already have the 2, but i would like to start from the first one)
ori and the blind forest

touhou luna nights


and non gaming: facerig

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can i play with any player or just the steam player?
also, i dont get that sentence

"This also fixes an issue I bugged Valve about a few times over the years, where a developer accidentally set a soundtrack DLC as available for Linux even when the game isn't. Now it doesn't matter, you can just buy and enjoy it without issues—no fuss is how I like it."

so you can buy any sound track, regardless of if the game is avaliable for linux?

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ps4 can run linux, just saying...

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