Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: elmapulso... the logo on protonDB was not the logo for proton? lol

No, it seems like ProtonDB just recoloured the React logo. And I just realised, they're not even within the license since they don't give attribution oopsies.

well i hope react dont react to then, lol.
but if they do we already have some logo to replace then.

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: EhvisThe weird thing about these lawsuits is that they are now targeting a company as "the makers of yuzu". I don't know anything about the development, but assuming that this company is the main driving force, it is still only a part of it. Second problem is that this is a US lawsuit using US laws that mean nothing for most of the world. So even if this went to court and Nintendo wins, nothing would change. The emu either continues directly or is forked and continued. So from a perspective of stopping emulation this is not going to work and is possibly going to have the opposite effect. So to me, it sounds more like a way of extorting a few dollars from US corporate entity.

i wouldnt say that, when the main branch of an open source project dies, usually there isnt any fork with enough momentum to keep things working (by working an mean improving instead of just have the same bugs and features that the original software had, without major improvments)

for example, audacity got purchased by an nefarious corporation and afaik their forks dont have enough man power to be an reasonable alternative.

Depends on a bunch of factors. Main ones are probably popularity and whether the original repo continues or not. Libreoffice did fine when it broke away from openoffice because it was popular and a lot of devs moved over to the fork. Since popularity doesn't appear to be a problem for yuzu and that a fork for it would be because the original got taken down, I think it would be fine.

the issue is that nintendo will keep going after the most popular ones, so either we split the popularity at a bunch or we get screwed from times to times and have to found new project leaders and more volunteers/paid people/donnnators to keep the project afloat.
even if the projects can keep up with that it will be a mess with people not knowing wich branch to follow and maybe even geting some malwares in the process.

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Quoting: ElectricPrism

Quoting: elmapulif companies like Nintendo succeed, we will lose access to more and more media over time, it might sound impossible now, but we saw that happening with many MMOS, we have some lost media in old games, and cloud is a big menace on our future (eg: cloud exclusive games)

Exactly, eg: Google Stadia Exclusives

Anyone remember The Sega Channel (back in the 1990s?) ... Gone....

nintendo also had one of those. satela view.

and speaking of stadia exclusives, fortunatelly they got ported.
personally i was interessed in guilty, but havent purchased it yet.

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so... the logo on protonDB was not the logo for proton? lol

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honestly this incident just show how important an device like the steam deck is.

1)we arent locked to valve to make an device running linux (unlike nintendo and their proprietary OS)
2)we arent locked to valve to make an OS based on linux (unlike windows)
3)we arent forced to purchase games from valve on steamOS (unlike consoles and iOS devices)
4)we arent locked to valve to fix our devices (unlike some phone manufactors)
5)we arent locked to valve to make accessories
and so on, i can continue for longer and longer to point is:

if companies like Nintendo succeed, we will lose access to more and more media over time, it might sound impossible now, but we saw that happening with many MMOS, we have some lost media in old games, and cloud is a big menace on our future (eg: cloud exclusive games)

if only we had an publisher that made alternative games to nintendo games, capable of outputing the same ammount of games as then, with games that are different enough to no count as plagiarism, but similliar enough to compete for the same audience while at the same time, they could make better games than nintendo, as well as make high quality original games instead of just imitations, if we had all of this with an company that was actually ethical...
nintendo would be forced to improve.

meanwhile, we have things like this...

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Quoting: EhvisThe weird thing about these lawsuits is that they are now targeting a company as "the makers of yuzu". I don't know anything about the development, but assuming that this company is the main driving force, it is still only a part of it. Second problem is that this is a US lawsuit using US laws that mean nothing for most of the world. So even if this went to court and Nintendo wins, nothing would change. The emu either continues directly or is forked and continued. So from a perspective of stopping emulation this is not going to work and is possibly going to have the opposite effect. So to me, it sounds more like a way of extorting a few dollars from US corporate entity.

i wouldnt say that, when the main branch of an open source project dies, usually there isnt any fork with enough momentum to keep things working (by working an mean improving instead of just have the same bugs and features that the original software had, without major improvments)

for example, audacity got purchased by an nefarious corporation and afaik their forks dont have enough man power to be an reasonable alternative.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPBut the audience that is interested in emulation to begin with is almost automatically "in the know", so would always find ways to acquire the emulators & files needed.

actually that is the main issue here.
the new generation must know about those games , not just us the old folks, otherwise they will be sucessfull in killing history.
not to mention everyone starts as a newbie.

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Quoting: ElectricPrism(In recent history Nintendo paid Japan Influencers __NOT__ to cover PalWorld in Japan -- you know ... instead of actually make a **good** Pokemon game that has the same features. Nintendo can't even fathom that their fans are (1) not children and (2) 30 and 40 years olds. As if everywhere outside their xenobubble is exactly like Japan where adults don't have time for fun.)

i partially agree...
i doubt most fans are 20~30~40 as people say, they have that impression because most of their friends are into pokémon, but i doubt the franchise changed the audience completely.
in any case, if they are all adults they should act like such and not purchase any shit poorly made games.
even if they arent child, that may be the reality on japan (most child) and i dont think they should try to change stuff to please people that dont even consume their games, dont get me wrong they need to improve the graphics, fix the bugs, quality of life and make an world building as compeling as palworld have (i mean the interactions you have with the pals, palworld is the closest thing we have to the world building that the the pokemon anime sold).

what i disagree is with some people that think the game should no longer be an TBS, im totally ok with they doing spin offs in other genres, maybe they can even make those spin off as frequent as the main series if they make an sucess, but they should neve drop the tbs games.

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Quoting: Pengling

Quoting: elmapuli dont doubt nintendo will do the same in the future.

Technically speaking, they already have - they've closed the stores for several past consoles at this point, with plenty of games now completely lost to time for legitimate buyers.

i was busy thinking if switch2 would have an retro compatibility at the begining then get it axed later on, but you are right, i completely forgot about that.

and want listen to something dirty? well they hold pokemons hostages nowadays.

if you want to transfer then to the new games you have to pay an online subscription to host then, you have an maximum ammount of pokemons that you can transfer each day, and no guarantee that they will be playable in the next game meaning you may have to pay even more time until they relase an game where they are playable again.

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Quoting: ElectricPrismScumbag Nintendo moment.

This is a war on content preservation. They are trying to "burn all the books" of the library of Alexandria.

They don't want you to be able to play old games, or have access to old cultural content, old movies, old music, old anything...

This is the New Global Cultural Revolution. And Nintendo is their white knight to set legal precedent to take away your private property rights.

They are replacing your "rights" with "privileges" -- and when you are a bad boy they will just "turn off your privileges" to the things you worked and paid for.

not only that, sony tried to remove movies from people who purchased then, it failed with discovery content but then they did it again with animes from funimation after they acquired it and shut down the service.

i dont doubt nintendo will do the same in the future.

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