if the tips where something related to anime, i might try to guess, but i'm really not aware about the usa culture...

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or maybe wine implementation of this is already better so they decided to open what we already have

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Quoting: Geopirate... They also announced that this is not going to be a WiiU replacement and they are still continuing that line of products.

Nope, they said it will not replace 3Ds but it WILL replace WiiU

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Quoting: Creak

Quoting: ShmerlWell, Tizen is normal glibc/Wayland/Linux, same as SailfishOS. But it's nowhere near to Android in adoption.

Indeed, but it's no secret that Samsung is supporting it and want to get free of Google's Android Walled Garden.

And Samsung is the most important Android device manufacturer...

or maybe they're using this just to keep google in control, instead of trying to attack, they will menance and only enter this market if google steal their marketshare.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: elmapulgoogle will try to push Android or ChromeOS on desktop

I don't consider it good. Android is best friend and worst enemy (the way Aaron Seigo put it. It would be pretty bad for Linux if Android with its bionic mess would spill to the desktop. If Google would use glibc + Wayland, that could end up beneficial for Linux desktop, but Android as it is now (bionic + Surfaceflinger) is actually harmful in a number of ways. It would be like another Windows to fight with.

it would be worse, because we wouldnt have an better kernel as selling point.

but i'm talking about an strategic partnership where valve dont shoot then selfs in the foot as they did with steam machines.
one side of the deal is to not break compatibility.
i dont know if that is even possible. but i rather have 20 games with exclusivity deals for android and 20 for Linux desktop and everything else multiplatform than 7000 games being windows only.

its a shame that we have things like, linux programs on windows (due to windows sub system for linux) and wine for android x86 and microsoft puting money into bringing x86 programs and games to arm windows 10 mobile devices.
yet, we cant run android apps/games on linux or linux games/apps on android.

we already have an "windows2", we have literaly nothing to lose anymore, things can only go worse if nothing change now.

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Quoting: Creak

Quoting: elmapulDoom runs on wine, show this to your friends who play or want to play doom, and bah!
they have 1 less reason to not give linux a try.

There are always tweaks and tricks to do to have a game working on Wine. It's not really an advertisement for Linux IMO.

those tricks may take years to work, vulkan is making things go faster.
if people who want to use linux but can't because their favorite games dont run on it, sundely realise they can, they might change.
i know a lot of people who dont use linux, not because they dont know it (never heard of), or don't like or think it sucks, but because it can't run something they love.

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Quoting: wintermute

Quoting: liamdaweWeb development is an entirely different thing. The web is literally everywhere and can be easily accessed, Linux desktop gaming is completely different (again, market-share here).

Yes, but there are parallels, IE had a 95% market share at one point. As @silmeth discussed, the web was very close to becoming a single-vendor walled garden in the 2000s. Even as it's become more and more based on standards we (as in: web developers) were wasting a lot of dev time until recently on making things work in old IE despite its lack of standards support simply because of the massive installed base.

This actually feeds into your point: it took about a decade and the resources of both Apple and Google to knock IE out of its entrenched position in the browser market. Wide ranging Vulkan support is a good step along the road but it is not the answer by itself.

Quoting: 0aTTOn what Nintendo OS is based? FreeBSD?

I'm not sure, but the hardware seems to be next gen Nvidia Shield so the low budget approach would be to use a Linux kernel and drivers (which already exist because of Android) with a custom Nintendo user space.

google will try to push Android or ChromeOS on desktop, but i dont see it puting money on hardcore games, just android bullshit games.
if it make an partnership with valve, it would be perfect, many people will not buy again games that they already have for windows anyway, so its the best bet to sell the product for gamers, but i dont see it even trying.

about the drivers, nope, the hardware maybe new, so its pointless to reuse code from the drivers for linux.

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Quoting: 0aTT

Quoting: LeopardThe issue at here is not the Linux itself.

But Linux gaming is desperately needs Vulkan to be adopted by developers.And here is one the chances.

It will provide benefit to Linux gaming eventually.Not just so fast,but eventually will.

Doom 2016 uses Vulkan too but will maybe never come to Linux. Does this still help Linux? I don't know.

Also Vulkan do not have only benefits. Direct HW access means that programming errors can result in hard crashes where the game can stuck easily forever in a kernel function. Most of us use Nvidia cards with the proprietary driver. Vulkan and a proprietary driver will result in system stability problems depending on the game code. We could already observe this with Dota2, where people had to do a hard system reset in some situations.

Even though I have some performance issues with OpenGL my system has never crashed. The games crashes sometimes but my host system stays rock solid meanwhile. With Vulkan and direct HW access this could change. Linux could then feel like Windows.

Doom runs on wine, show this to your friends who play or want to play doom, and bah!
they have 1 less reason to not give linux a try.

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Vulkan +x86 = windowx XP, windows 7, windows 8, windows 10, Linux, Super computers (that people may use to process movies like hollywood does),android x86 devices, and very likely PS4 (sony is part of khronos group)

Vulkan+Arm: android arm (the most used), Nintendo Switch, and some devices like rasperberry pi.

there isn't better times to be a vulkan developer.

but i dont know if switch will help us that much, considering it is arm.

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Quoting: GuestWhat is the bigger market? Mobile gaming vs desktop, Vs consoles?

Quoting: CreakClearly mobile gaming is superior to the desktop market.
But I would say it's less that the console market (because the price per game is also very different).

to be more precise, the profit per platform:
https://newzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Newzoo_Global_Games_Market_2015_Per_Screen_Segment_V3_Full.png

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