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Quoting: mahagrI really hope it'll be Ryzen based, if it is, it'll be instant buy for me. If it's using older AMD, I see no point of getting the device...

What makes you think it's gonna be AMD64 architecture? More likely it will be ARM based.

Doubtful, if they're going to offer any non-vintage-Atari games, they will need Steam support. Which necessitates x86

Not only that, they actually specifically stated it will be an AMD APU.
AMD really doesn't have any ARM's with a decent GPU.

I think I posted earlier that there are AMD earnings listing a deal with Atari. It specifically states Radeon. Fairly certain there are no Radeon based ARMs?

AMD only did ARM CPUs for servers and they dropped this already.

If Atari wanted something with ARM, would be better that they had used the Tegra X1 SoC that is still really strong compared to other ARMs SoCs and already have tons of games ported to it

That is true. I really think the Ataribox is going to try for being close to PS4 power.

Out of curiosity is there anyone here who has already decided if it is a Linux based system that they will back it? I am still sort of on the fence, but at the same time it seems it could be an awesome Steam Link replacement.

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Quoting: gustavoyaraujoI think they should focus just on the Linux, trying to get wine running on android is too much work for a few users. I can not imagine any windows app I would like to use on my cellphone.

Yeah, I wasn't even aware Wine ran on Android until today. I don't even like running anything on my cell phone outside of a web browser, my email and the occasional dumb time waster. Granted, I'm one who angrily hates mobile gaming too :P

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Quoting: slaapliedjeHa, I navigate and do that all the time with my steam controller. I lay in bed and watch Netflix, Plex, HBO, Showtime, etc. On my Linux Desktop. I currently have two 2560x1440 G-sync monitors, and yes I can generally tell 720p vs 1080p. HDCP only prevents thongs from displaying IF the program is trying to use it and it doesn't exist. With your logic, I would not be able to watch a 1080p movie that was ripped because the resolution is capped on any media. In fact, HDCP will completely black out media, not downscale it. I watch videos in 1080p on youtube all the time in Linux.. 480p looks terrible these days.

Edit: literally the only thing I have seen that requires HDCP is an officially licensed bluray player, which is why Linux will probably never have an officially licensed Bluray player.

Netflix is 720p capped though, you can check it when you have it windowed and press alt+ctr+shift+D
its only 4Mbps bandwidth also. Its so in Chrome, Vivaldi and Opera. Its not the worst, can live with that but 1080p would be much better.. i have 1440p screen also

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As you can see thisone is even at lower Bitrate than 4Mbps, i have seen some at 4098kbps
but its 720p like seen from the picture. Everything is in netflix. Only Edge browser gets the special deal, netflix apps get special deals with 1080p and chromecast i think has 1080p capability also.
rest of the browsers are stuck at 720p.

Damn, I had replied to this, but maybe I never hit post? Anyhow, I was incorrect, and you are correct, only Edge gets the special deal, though I don't think it's because of HDCP. Except for 4k? Since technically 720P is considered as HD. It literally is a limitation due to stupidity. I'll have to see if there is a way to see what the PS3/4 gets, I sometimes watch Netflix on that.

Now I wonder if Amazon Prime has the same limits (since that's where I watch HBO/Showtime.)

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Quoting: slaapliedjeHDCP only prevents thongs from displaying

Evil censorship technology! Or the opposite, depending on how you read this.

Ha! Teach me to try to reply to forum posts from my phone... I miss my N900 and physical keyboards...

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Quoting: mahagrI really hope it'll be Ryzen based, if it is, it'll be instant buy for me. If it's using older AMD, I see no point of getting the device...

What makes you think it's gonna be AMD64 architecture? More likely it will be ARM based.

Doubtful, if they're going to offer any non-vintage-Atari games, they will need Steam support. Which necessitates x86

Not only that, they actually specifically stated it will be an AMD APU.
AMD really doesn't have any ARM's with a decent GPU.

I think I posted earlier that there are AMD earnings listing a deal with Atari. It specifically states Radeon. Fairly certain there are no Radeon based ARMs?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeYou are partially correct. They require DRM, but they do NOT require HDCP support. I watch videos in Netflix in 1080p all the time on my Linux system. From what I understand, HDCP is really only something that is attempted to be enforced in bluray playback programs. For example, HDCP is not supported on the HTC Vive, so even in Windows I can't use PowerDVD to play a Bluray directly through to Virtual Desktop, I only get a black screen. But I have DVDFab, which decrypts the disc, then I play it through the media player classic, with MadVR plugin, I can even watch 3D movies in VR. It's AMAZING.

I meant that play high resolution content require HDCP and this is not available in Linux (Intel started implement something, but no progress).

What it is "high resolution" depends of provider.
Netflix - in theory 720p max (1080p and more require HDCP + Internet Explorer or Windows Metro application)
HBOGO - in theory 720p max
Google Play/YouTube Movies - 480p max

Perhaps theory and reality are different... Netflix and HBOGO do not provide real information what resolution is streamed. Hard to say "on eye" if it is 720p or 1080p, but I think that it is 720p.

Only Google Play/YouTube Movies provide information about streamed resolution and, unfortunately for Linux, it is really 480p and it is visible:(

Quoting: slaapliedjeAs far as a new UI around it, I'm pretty sure that launching Firefox in full screen with video playback is fairly easy, isn't it?

Start Firefox in fullscreen is easy, but navigate Netflix or HBOGO website with this joystick will be very uncomfortable.

Ha, I navigate and do that all the time with my steam controller. I lay in bed and watch Netflix, Plex, HBO, Showtime, etc. On my Linux Desktop. I currently have two 2560x1440 G-sync monitors, and yes I can generally tell 720p vs 1080p. HDCP only prevents thongs from displaying IF the program is trying to use it and it doesn't exist. With your logic, I would not be able to watch a 1080p movie that was ripped because the resolution is capped on any media. In fact, HDCP will completely black out media, not downscale it. I watch videos in 1080p on youtube all the time in Linux.. 480p looks terrible these days.

Edit: literally the only thing I have seen that requires HDCP is an officially licensed bluray player, which is why Linux will probably never have an officially licensed Bluray player.

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Quoting: KimyrielleI don't know why they feel they need to release a major version either. Most people don't care. They just download each new release, because every new release is an improvement over the previous.

That being said, I really like where DX11 support has been going lately, and there is some hope that we will be able to play more recent AAA games soon. I even got back into GuildWars 2, because it now runs really nice in WINE, when it produced single digit FPS rates for the longest time.

I still remember when Wine barely ran notepad and nothing outside of that worked at all. I also recall when Wine finally had version numbers instead of dates, then when it hit that 1.0 version, but by that time it was already quite usable.

I do find it funny that I have been able to get some games working flawlessly in Wine that are utterly broken in Windows 7+.

And the compatibility layer in newer Windows versions doesn't help much.

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Quoting: TheRiddick2) My guess is they will just optimize some sort of interface to access these web features, very much doubt it will be a ALL IN ONE browser because we all know the big boys don't like competing with each other.

First: I’m not 100% sure, but probably it is not legal. Without Netflix/Hulu/etc. legal permission you cannot wrap it inside another GUI. Legal issues could be bypassed as "community mod" that user will download and install by himself. But in this situation - it cannot be officially advertised.

Second: It is not easy task to wrap one GUI into another GUI, especially when "source" is using DRM and is it very "hostile" for "third-party" modifications. Also every tiny change on source website will destroy wrapper...

Third: Netfix/HBO/Amazon require DRM and HDCP support (for resolution bigger than 720p). There is no HDCP support in Linux at all. HDCP is supported by Android...

Long story short: if they want Netflix/Hulu/etc. it will be MUCH easier for them if it will be another Android clone.

You are partially correct. They require DRM, but they do NOT require HDCP support. I watch videos in Netflix in 1080p all the time on my Linux system. From what I understand, HDCP is really only something that is attempted to be enforced in bluray playback programs. For example, HDCP is not supported on the HTC Vive, so even in Windows I can't use PowerDVD to play a Bluray directly through to Virtual Desktop, I only get a black screen. But I have DVDFab, which decrypts the disc, then I play it through the media player classic, with MadVR plugin, I can even watch 3D movies in VR. It's AMAZING.

All of that bypasses the HDCP.

Curiously they mention HBO Go. HBO Go hardly even works right anyhow, you have to have a Cable account to get access to it. HBO Now on the other hand... I only was able to get it to work for a short time in Linux (I think?) but it would just forever buffer, I think it didn't like the plugin? Who knows, but I ended up ditching that and just subscribing to both Showtime and HBO under my Amazon Prime account, which works flawlessly in Linux+Firefox.

As far as a new UI around it, I'm pretty sure that launching Firefox in full screen with video playback is fairly easy, isn't it?

The back arrow and home button on the joystick would probably work just like the Steam / back button on the Steam Controller, or ANY other modern joystick that takes you 'home'. In fact it always frustrates me on my PS4 when I try to quit a game and have to remember to hit the PS button then close the app.

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Quoting: ColomboWould be fun if Ataribox was sneaky Steambox, where Valve is trying a bit different concept of Steambox, with specific brand image and specific target group. Get more traction on linux gaming platform, have have number of support staff that can solve linux-specific issues before they roll out with more general-use box.

I've always suggested this, but the bitter pill some people have swallowed for crowdfunded systems in the Atari community is pretty terrible, so many are convinced already that it's going to flop, never get made, etc. And one of the main people behind it (Feargal Mac) has had two other crowdfunded things that were a bit on the 'wtf' side, and still have failed to deliver the Gameband watch that had Atari Branding (and Pong!) on it.

I'm hopeful yet cynical at the same time. While it'd be cool to have a box this small dedicated with AMD hardware and for Linux as a gaming box, I'm not sure what's left of Atari can manage to pull it off, especially since all they are now is a Brand name.

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So.. I've been following the AtariBox since I first got a weird email because I think I was signed up to the Atari newsletter from.. oh probably from when I registered Neverwinter Nights...

I've also been following and involved with the thread over on the AtariAge forums, and people there are far more bitter toward 'current' Atari than people here.

But yes some kept saying ARM, and it's AMD. There is even a few articles from AMD stating a deal with Atari (like on their earnings) http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/press-release-2017oct24.aspx

QuoteAtari disclosed that a customized AMD processor featuring Radeon™ graphics technology will power the upcoming Ataribox game console, which is targeted for global launch in spring 2018.

Someone in the Atari Forum did track down the gamepad that is used in the other image.

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/266480-new-atari-console-that-ataribox/page-100#entry3891664 breaks down everything in the image... though earlier in the thread was where the gamepad is. https://www.amazon.com/Speedlink-Torid-Gamepad-Wireless-Pc/dp/B014R4E8IE

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