Quoting: minjDirect X what? Never heard of it. Give us some Vulkan love or GTFO :)

That should be the button title in Unity / UE4, "give me Vulkan or GTFO."

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Quoting: ZlopezAs far as I know the snap is only supported by Ubuntu, other distributions wants to use Flatpak. And the Flatpak package for Steam is already worked on GitHub

The rpm family don't contribute to the development, but they do put effort into snap compatibility. Debian family is far more extensive, so they have equal footing on "neutral territory" (e.g. Arch or Gentoo).

QuoteI wonder why Canonical always wants to have something special that is not used in nowhere else (See: Unity, Mir ...)

It's natural.

If you have a piece of software, you like the idea, but want to make a few tweaks - go for it. You could ask in the same way, why do different distributions have different package managers. Arch wouldn't be arch if it ran on rpm or deb, which is why it has pacman. Gentoo has need for clever update scheduling, so it has emerge.

Snaps serve to replace two features of the rpm family - flatpak (for desktop app distribution) and Atomic updates (for rigid system management). SSo it makes sense to fork and create something.

Not to mention Snap and Flatpak are only two of about ten "universal" package formats.

But I get why you ask. The two distro families have different strategies:

Red Hat makes sure everyone in the Linux world uses their software, even if it isn't that great (e.g. Gnome).

Canonical, makes sure as few distros as possible can support their work, even if there's no need to couple their code so tightly.

As a result, Unity, runs almost exclusively on Ubuntu, and Gnome Shell runs on everything else, so we get the feeling that the latter is better. In reality, Unity is a great DE, it just happens to be tied to Ubuntu. Which is why Canonical were alone in developing it, went all in, and eventually killed the project off.

If Canonical were a little more giving, and Red Hat were more reserved, we'd have a much more balanced ecosystem.

You have that a bit wrong. The reason that other distributions don't adopt things Canonical creates is because they have their own form of licensing they attach to their projects that people don't agree with. Someone managed to get Unity to work on Arch for example. But Canonical seems to want to take Linux their own way instead of contributing to the "greater good". Like instead of giving resources to Wayland, they wasted time creating Mir..

True, I completely forgot about the licensing. Ubuntu have of course joined forces, and maybe that's a good thing.

I would say that maybe Wayland is a huge mistake that we're going to regret, but time will tell. I don't like where it's going. I've spent an entire day, trying to figure out, how to get the active window's title under Wayland. Turns out, There isn't any. It's deprecated, as a security measure.

Of course cybersecuirty is important. It's just that a system's overall security is given by its weakest point, and keylogging on (of all things) Linux, is the least of my concerns. It's like prescribing exercise to a burn victim. And they didn't seem to be interested in exposing an API to do what is perfectly possible on X.org.

What I hope is that Canonical would be the voice of reason.

My problems with Wayland are similar. That and there are unnecessary pushes to force people to use it when it clearly isn't ready. Debian a while back had changed the default session for gdm to start Gnome Shell with Wayland. Couldn't figure out why my Xorg clipboard wasn't working between a GTK and Qt app like it used to. Sure enough it was because I was using Wayland. I am all for the supposed speed increases, and security features. But it still needs compatibility and feature parity with Xorg first. I still remember the painful transistion from XFree86 to X.org, and that wasn't even protocol changes or anything, just a fork to make it more modularized!

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Quoting: appetrosyan

Quoting: ZlopezAs far as I know the snap is only supported by Ubuntu, other distributions wants to use Flatpak. And the Flatpak package for Steam is already worked on GitHub

The rpm family don't contribute to the development, but they do put effort into snap compatibility. Debian family is far more extensive, so they have equal footing on "neutral territory" (e.g. Arch or Gentoo).

QuoteI wonder why Canonical always wants to have something special that is not used in nowhere else (See: Unity, Mir ...)

It's natural.

If you have a piece of software, you like the idea, but want to make a few tweaks - go for it. You could ask in the same way, why do different distributions have different package managers. Arch wouldn't be arch if it ran on rpm or deb, which is why it has pacman. Gentoo has need for clever update scheduling, so it has emerge.

Snaps serve to replace two features of the rpm family - flatpak (for desktop app distribution) and Atomic updates (for rigid system management). SSo it makes sense to fork and create something.

Not to mention Snap and Flatpak are only two of about ten "universal" package formats.

But I get why you ask. The two distro families have different strategies:

Red Hat makes sure everyone in the Linux world uses their software, even if it isn't that great (e.g. Gnome).

Canonical, makes sure as few distros as possible can support their work, even if there's no need to couple their code so tightly.

As a result, Unity, runs almost exclusively on Ubuntu, and Gnome Shell runs on everything else, so we get the feeling that the latter is better. In reality, Unity is a great DE, it just happens to be tied to Ubuntu. Which is why Canonical were alone in developing it, went all in, and eventually killed the project off.

If Canonical were a little more giving, and Red Hat were more reserved, we'd have a much more balanced ecosystem.

You have that a bit wrong. The reason that other distributions don't adopt things Canonical creates is because they have their own form of licensing they attach to their projects that people don't agree with. Someone managed to get Unity to work on Arch for example. But Canonical seems to want to take Linux their own way instead of contributing to the "greater good". Like instead of giving resources to Wayland, they wasted time creating Mir..

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Quoting: slaapliedjeThat is fantastic. So does SteamVR even run under Wine?

No need. We have an official, native version of SteamVR. Software library has been.... lacking. I'm doing what I can with my limited knowledge and skillset.

I know this very well. It's the lacking library and the requirement that the engine / game needs Vulkan support that makes SteamVR under Linux not as good as it should be.

I was asking if it worked under Wine to see if maybe I could play Elite Dangerous in Linux.

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Quoting: knroI really want to try VR on Linux, but then read about all the bugs and technical hurdles still, it seems like it's still in beta and in big flux. On the other hand, I am waiting for improvements to the existing headsets and read that HTC Vive 2 is coming out "soonish" maybe late 2017.

Not sure where you read that at, but HTC themselves said they wouldn't release a Vive 2 until late 2018 at the earliest. I can't seem to find the article now, but it definitely isn't coming soonish. A year, probably 2. I think they were saying somewhere that it'd be a 3-4 year life cycle.

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Damn, guess I will jave to cancel my monthly subscription and give away all my extra keys.

Humble bundle helped me achieve my collector status in Steam. Ha!

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I absolutely love Elite! If I didn't have a job where a lot of times I end up working after hours, I'm pretty sure my life would consist of working, going home, then playing space captain in Elite... Being able to sit inside the cockpit of a spaceship and fly around and do pretty much whatever you want.. it's an indescribable experience. Kind of like the whole 'it's difficult to describe what the Matrix is...'

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I literally bought that this morning at 5am when I couldn't sleep! Gonna check it out if I can stay awake when I get home.

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Quoting: roothorickThe current state of Linux VR is actually pretty decent, if you have a GeForce or are willing to deal with unstable (git) Mesa drivers. The NV driver hangs are finally gone as of the 384 series. I've been having great results.

I actually still run into periodic issues on Windows, most commonly, sudden total loss of headset tracking. I suspect it may be a sync issue with my base stations.

Yeah, make sure there aren't reflective surfaces around. The lighthouses tend to get confused.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeI may be a fat over 40s guy, but if you can get Elite: Dangerous working flawlessly in Wine and the Vive, you can do whatever you like to my body, as I will no longer need it (harvest organs or whatever.)

I was proud that I made 1.8 million credits today by accepting a mission that was way too far away to complete... ended up scrapping the mission (which was to deliver data and would have given me 680k). Instead I sold Cartography data for about 100 systems for 1.8 million...time to do that a few more times to upgrade my ship!

Well, it needs to run in Wine in desktop mode first, which it currently isn't. As a rule of thumb, I'm focusing on 1) VR-only games and 2) games already known to be fully working on desktop mode. If I get the majority of those working, that should iron out all the VR-specific hitches and getting games working becomes the same as the regular SOP.

Quoting: roothorick

Quoting: slaapliedjeI may be a fat over 40s guy, but if you can get Elite: Dangerous working flawlessly in Wine and the Vive, you can do whatever you like to my body, as I will no longer need it (harvest organs or whatever.)

I was proud that I made 1.8 million credits today by accepting a mission that was way too far away to complete... ended up scrapping the mission (which was to deliver data and would have given me 680k). Instead I sold Cartography data for about 100 systems for 1.8 million...time to do that a few more times to upgrade my ship!

Well, it needs to run in Wine in desktop mode first, which it currently isn't. As a rule of thumb, I'm focusing on 1) VR-only games and 2) games already known to be fully working on desktop mode. If I get the majority of those working, that should iron out all the VR-specific hitches and getting games working becomes the same as the regular SOP.

That is fantastic. So does SteamVR even run under Wine? There are some reports of almost getting Elite: Dangerous working under wine in 'normal' mode. I kind of wonder if the Linux thread on the Frontier development forums is the longest 'can we have a Linux version please?' thread out there. I'm pretty sure it's up to 2000 something posts. I'd have to look again. I know it's been active for years though.

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