Quoting: CFWhitman

Quoting: wvstolzingThe C64 was never really a *good* gaming machine -- its strongest assets were the SID chip, and the possibilities it harbored for homebrew tinkering. I've come to realize only recently that games on the NES had WAY better playability, compared to what we had on the C64. So if there's to be a C64 revival, it should be in terms of 6502 (6510) hacking -- something akin to the new BBC Micro, and not really gaming nostalgia.

I'd say in a general sense that is true regarding older Atari games as well. I think that's a big part of why the NES lead to a revival of the popularity of video games. Some of the games on it just had a deeper appeal than what had preceded it. I was never even really a fan of the game play of Super Mario Bros., but it's clear why it had a deeper appeal than older games. The Legend of Zelda didn't look like much when you just saw it, but if you actually played it for a bit, you started to get it. Castlevania and Megaman were appealing to me almost from the minute I laid eyes on them.

That being said I remember liking Chopper Command on the 2600 and Fort Apocalypse on the Commodore 64 a lot.

Also, computer gaming really split away from console gaming in the era that the Amiga was introduced, playing to the different strengths of computers compared to consoles.

The truth of the matter is sad really. Atari (under Time Warner) just published any old crap that came across their desk. E.T. is one fine example, though apparently Spielberg himself gave the 'Okay' for it, so we can blame all of that on him and the tight schedule they made the developer work in (his other previous games were all extremely successful, Yars Revenge and Indiana Jones). Nintendo did the exact opposite, they pretty much forced everyone to pass through their quality assurance stamp of approval, which also included making them exclusive to the NES.

If Atari had been smarter, they could have taken Nintendo up on the distribution deal. Oh well, sometimes you live and learn and other times you don't and end up being owned by the French.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeNice, may need to get this.

Anyone ever play Deuteros? It's the sequel to Millennium 2.2, great fun, but most of it is about building space stations and trying to colonize (before of course aliens sweep in and kill everyone.) Weirdly addicting game.

Deuteros was great. I might get that downloaded and popped on the Atari st hxc :-)

I literally ran into that game a long time ago when I was emulating the ST on Win2k (I think that was when, may have been around 99/2000?) Then ended up playing it for hours. Not sure why I didn't know about it when I used my ST all the time.

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Quoting: Grazen

Quoting: slaapliedjeI always find it funny when people say SteamOS didn't succeed. It's still being developed. If Valve had officially killed it off, they haven't stated as such, and there are updates to it on a regular basis.

It's still being updated and I use it daily, but it didn't succeed.

It didn't fail then either, right? It's 'ongoing' just like anything else that is updated on a regular basis. I play around with Retro computers all the time. Some of which were definite failures. And while something like the Atari Jaguar that got sub-100 game support is definitely considered a failure, SteamOS which is still being updated and has over 3000 games for it, I'd say is completely a success.

Steam Machines could be argued as a failure, even though they're still for sale as well.

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Quoting: Grazen

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: Grazen

Quoting: MohandevirWhat about a thunderbolt connector for eGPU compliance? Just an idea...

Edit:

Overwatch System requirements:
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/65159

I think it isn't out of reach in the case of a zen based apu, if the goal is to run games at medium settings like many actual consoles do.

But it's just speculation. IMO, the day Blizzard port it's game catalog to Linux is the day Linux gaming has won. It's more a dream than a possibility. :)

This said, hardware needs exclusives to sell. That's why Steam Machines failed. There was nothing you couldn't get by other means or on "the other OS"... Let's see what Atari has in store, this time...

The reason SteamOS didn't succeed isn't because of exclusives, it's because games ran worse PLUS lack of compatibility. You can have one or the other and people would go for it, but both is death.

Maybe but think of a Steam Machine launch with an Exclusive HL3 for SteamOS (just an example) and the swarm of players that would have come to the platform would have taken care of the issues you mentionned by itself. Bigger player base = Better support.

If Valve put HL3 onto SteamOS as an exclusive, they would have needed to invest at least a billion dollars into the project, which is a fraction of the cost of a typical console launch. Valve doesn't spend billions, they make billions.

And why would they have to invest a billion dollars into the project? They already have the Source engine ported, and that's like 90% of any game.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: BerenNetmarketshare removed their September figures altogether.

Wow...

wtf? Apple complain?

For those that are 'but the Coffee shop is full of them!' that's because most of the people who will go to buy an overly expensive coffee to feel like they are socializing, but instead just to sit around with their face buried into their computers are douche bags. And as science has proven, most people who buy macs are douche bags. :)

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Nice, may need to get this.

Anyone ever play Deuteros? It's the sequel to Millennium 2.2, great fun, but most of it is about building space stations and trying to colonize (before of course aliens sweep in and kill everyone.) Weirdly addicting game.

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Quoting: Dunc

Quoting: slaapliedjehttp://www.hd-zone.com/amithlon/

Oh, I'd almost forgotten about Amithlon. That brings back some memories. :) (Never got a chance to try it, though.) But, from what I remember, it was really a heavily optimized UAE running on a stripped-down distro with the (very cool) capability to run x86 code transparently from the emulated Amiga for extra grunt. Really nice idea, and it could've been a contender if Amiga Inc. hadn't put their foot down, but what I was talking about was actually, for about six months, Amiga Inc.'s own official Plan for the Future, to develop an Amiga-like DE from scratch on top of Linux. I don't think there's any connection between the two. In fact, I can't help thinking that the reason they put a stop to Amithlon was that it was too similar to the “Amiga DE” (I'm sure that's what they called it), but not similar enough to be useful to the project.

I remember some people dismissed it as just an “Amiga window manager”, and I didn't know enough about Linux at the time to argue, but looking back there was clearly more to it, and it really was incredibly similar to OSX in its basic concept: new, but familiar, APIs and UIs on top of a totally different kernel, with transparent emulation for legacy apps. I don't think it was going to use X11, for example, but I can't remember. And now that I come to think of it, I can't actually recall whether it was to be x86 or PPC either. Or something else entirely. I don't think they knew themselves.

The 'Amiga DE' never came about, and was meant to be some sort of embedded OS. Much like so many other things that Amiga Inc. promised, nothing came of it (apparently, they had something about T-shirts that no one ever got either.)

Amithlon was exactly that though, it was OS3.9 running on top of a Linux kernel. Unfortunately since it hasn't been updated in a long time, you'd have to get some old hardware (or plausibly a VM) to play around with it.

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I know the Chinese at one point had their national Red Flag distribution, but then MS gave them chunks of source code to Windows so they'd go back to using it.

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I always find it funny when people say SteamOS didn't succeed. It's still being developed. If Valve had officially killed it off, they haven't stated as such, and there are updates to it on a regular basis.

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http://www.hd-zone.com/amithlon/

Was a great idea that was stomped out of existence by the IP holders, if I recall correctly.

Aros is good, but like a lot of open source efforts is taking a long time to get there.

The AmigaOS had so many good ideas in it.

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