Quoting: GroganI don't sympathize at all, moreover, these "corporations" are adversaries to me. They hate their customers and don't deserve to have any.

You put something out, that people bought in good faith and are still using, you bloody well fix it. You don't just say "too bad, we're adding new shitware to our game and have decided to exclude you"

Pretty much. It is far worse in my mind to say you are going to support a port, and then drop support while still updating the other platforms, than it is to never support Linux in the first place.

I'll just make sure to not buy anything from them later. Granted I never got around to playing Payback 2...

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Quoting: DrMcCoy

Quotebut the ultimate reason is pretty much the same as always — Linux and Steam Deck together hold a less than 2% user share on Steam

Sorry, but no, that's wrong. The reason is this:

Quotedue to the Linux version being on an older version of the PAYDAY 2 engine

I.e. a terrible development environment, the developers being bad at their job.

That quote right there, that tells me that they kept the Linux codebase in a separate fork. That's bad praxis, that's objectively incompetent.

Forking the codebase to put in support for another platform is fundamentally wrong, and we see, time and time again, that this leads to the codebases growing apart with the developers not being able to keep up keeping them in sync, and then abandoning the other platform. 90% of the time were we had Linux support being wiped away was because of this very reason. Why aren't people learning? You don't do that.

Instead, you need to make portability a feature of your code outright, you need to make the same single codebase run on all the individual platforms. No forks, just one portable repository that can run everywhere. That's not new knowledge either, we've known that for decades!

You know what would be hilarious? If WSL2 and some Mac layer actually got to the point of being performant enough for gaming... and everyone just switched to doing Linux Native games, as they'd just work on Windows and Mac anyhow.

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Quoting: MalI enjoyed the local co op in diablo 3 for the few days I owned a ps. Without that feature on pc I'm not interested into rushing it for that pricetag. I'll just wait a five years or so for when it's more like 15$.

I'll wait until someone reverse engineers the engine so I can play it on my AmigaOS4 system like the first one. :P

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Quoting: Guest€70 base price, a lot of microtransactions (just cosmetics... for now!), battle pass incoming... yeah Blizzard can go f**k themselves!

At this point I think it's just the hype machine and nostalgia that drives this franchise, in my opinion there are better games out there in the genre. Much better to support some of the developers that aren't assholes.

I wonder if the whole Activision-Blizzard / Microsoft deal will ever go through...

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Mountain ManI enjoyed the few hours I played in the beta, but $70 is a lot to ask for a game.

$70. Seven zero. And we're not talking Australian dollars here, are we? Damn.

https://gear.blizzard.com/products/diabcl0001-diablo-iv-limited-collector-s-box

Basically $100 and doesn't even come with the game...

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Quoting: KimyrielleGreat to see a game running on Linux that's certainly going to become a big hit. Personally, I am not going to get it. I don't own a single Blizzard game, so there is that. I just don't like that company and their business practices.

I bought the Blizzard pack on the PS store for Rock N Roll Racing. Otherwise I agree. Diablo 3 was boring for me, and I do not intend to buy Diablo 4.

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Quoting: Belaptir

Quoting: MohandevirLord of the Rings Online... On the Steam Deck... Why? Because I can. It's playable. The maps are a little on the small side, some parts are hard to read and you need to get used to the button mappings. No need of the touchscreen, if you don't want to. I wouldn't use it as a daily driver, but as a backup plan, it's better than I thought.

You sir just made me go and download LOTRO to play it again after... maybe 10 years. I need to create an account since my old one is probably lost, but knowing that it works on Steam Deck... I need to go back now. Thank you.

Sorry... I guess?

But it's similar to me. My main toon was stuck at level 88, at the bridge leading to Edoras, after the Riders of Rohan expansion. Lol!

Since then, they unlocked all contents up to Gondor, I believe.

To Gondor! I should actually give the game a try, never really did back in the day.

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: MohandevirLord of the Rings Online... On the Steam Deck... Why? Because I can. It's playable. The maps are a little on the small side, some parts are hard to read and you need to get used to the button mappings. No need of the touchscreen, if you don't want to. I wouldn't use it as a daily driver, but as a backup plan, it's better than I thought.

Prior to this, I finished a Ori and the Will of the Wisps run. Great game! I had quite a blast. I tried RDR2, but even though I recognize the quality of the game, I can't seem to get the hang of it... Probably my ADD. Else, I dusted off some Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor and Mad Max. All on the Steam Deck or on my desktop via the Steam Link app on my Nvidia Shield.

Ha, I spent the effort trying to get D&D Online to work on the Steam Deck, but the controls are definitely intended to be with keyboard and mouse.

Elder Scrolls Online wirks pretty well on it though! I also keep meaning to try Star Trek Online on it.

Aaaah! D&D Online... Got fond memories of this one too. The combat system is a thing of it's own and pretty awesome. Unfortunately the quest system was often a show stopper, for me, when it came to the longer quests that I didn't have enough playtime to finish.

I had an utter bitch of a time figuring out how to get a key for it, as it has changed owners multiple times, and I already have a LOTR Online account from ages ago... who also switched owners a few times.

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Quoting: RevenantDak

Quoting: slaapliedjeThey both eventually launch games though, right? I actually prefer the Lutris method as launchers are crap. :)

Eventually? I guess. With Lutris, you still have to install Epic Game Store (and all other Launchers) separately, and installing GOG games really doesn't need either, Heroic just makes it easier. With Heroic, you skip having to install EGS or GOG Galaxy. There is nothing that Lutris does that I can't do either with Steam or Heroic. I don't see the purpose of Lutris, at all.

Right, everyone is 100% missing my point. Notice how many updates have been coming out for Lutris since Heroic Games Launcher was released? They are, for lack of a better way to put it, in direct competition for making it easier for people to play non-Linux games under Linux.

Their root purpose is the same. Their methodologies are just slightly different. And the sole purpose is to have better software instead of monetary gains, which is why I said it is interesting in that regard. Usually the competition to a better product is based on money instead of thank yous (though I am certain both will be happy to take donations of cash / code).

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Quoting: benstor214

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Mountain ManBut here is something to think about: countless works of art have been lost throughout human history, and will continue to be lost. Are we worse off as a species because of it?

Yes, we bloody well are. You know that old question, what would you do if you had a time machine and could use it just once? You have no idea how many people answer that question, "Would go and rescue the books from the Library of Alexandria"; although my mother leans towards "Would go stop the fire that burned down the building that held all the Anglo Saxon literature that was ever written down".

You say that we're worse off as a species because the Library of Alexandria was destroyed. I'm curious in what way you think we're worse off, and what your basis is for claiming so.

Getting into deep philosophy here. In what way or for what reasons can you say any person, let alone the species, is "better off"? Any basis you propose can be readily disputed.

I personally think it is better to have wisdom than lack it, better to have knowledge than lack it, better to have stories than lack them. Being better off is not just about how many calories you consume. Many works of great philosophers, many accounts of history and mythology, were lost. Just having the missing Aristotle stuff would probably make a surprising difference to our thinking, considering how foundational the stuff we do have is. And as I recall, we know there is missing Aristotle stuff because other people's commentaries have referred to it. It's not just in physics where new thinkers stand on the shoulders of giants; philosophical and political thought also builds on the ideas of the past, and if we'd had more of them to build on, our whole intellectual tradition would be richer.

The only reason I asked is because you can't possibly answer without begging the question.

I'll hop in here for my fellow GURPS player; Imagine as it were that the internet and all it's knowledge was one day erased. You could no longer look up answers on wikipedia, you could no longer search for stepsister pr0n. All knowledge of scientific discoveries were only kept in the brains of old people that would eventually die off.

The burning of the library of Alexandria is pretty much the ancient equivalent of that. People from all over the (known to the Old world) world would go to Alexandria to study everything about science, philosophy, religion, etc. The burning of Alexandria literally started what many historians refer to as 'the dark ages'. We didn't have anything similar until the renaissance. Now imagine if we were about 1400-1500 years more advanced than we are now... Granted maybe we would have destroyed ourselves 300 years ago :P

Funny. All of you have NO IDEA how the library of Alexandria got such a large collection of texts.
Basically every ship that stopped in the port of Alexandria got searched for texts (papyri etc.) and everything that was found was brought to the library where it was COPIED and the originals were given back to the ship.

Yes, the librarians of ancient Alexandria were FILTHY PIRATES. They should have been hanged for such a large scale operation in COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.

Good thing the library of Alexandria burned down! And a sad thing the criminals didn’t burn with it.

You realize that copyright laws didn't exist back then and the only way written words were passed onto each other was by way of copying the text by hand? Why do you think flat earth came about and keeps coming about? Uneducated idiots. People knew the earth was a globe in ancient times. Hell, they knew about the precession of the equinox. We would probably not be arguing constantly about how the pyramids were built if the Library of Alexandria had not burned...

You may as well accuse the Christian Monks of being filthy pirates, as they too would copy documents all the time.

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