Quoting: fenglengshun

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Quoting: fenglengshunI honestly prefer something with better integration to my system and easier updating.

Though thankfully, there IS Bauh which makes installing and updating AppImage easier. And they maintain a database of extra AppImage sources on top of AppImageHub, so maybe someone can ask for this to be added ther (I personally doubt I'll ever use this, since it doesn't seem like ith as Switch emulation integrated yet).

What's annoying is we're ending up with the same nonsense we did before. Oh, we have RPM, tar.gz, deb... oh wait, now you're saying .deb between Ubuntu and Debian aren't compatible; and rpm between Suse and RH aren't compatible...

Now come along Flatpak, universal package management! Except now there is Snap and AppImage, which are also universal package management! Though AppImage is kind of lacking in the management department! I haven't heard of Bauh, I'll have to check that out, as I do use a few AppImages. But at least we're not like Windows, where you pretty much always have to go to a site, hope it's the manufacturer's site, and download an installer that may or may not have been tampered with, etc.

Eh, Flatpak is basically universal except in Ubuntu-land, and even in Ubuntu it's just a matter of installing. The only people who wouldn't install it are the ones who don't mind Snap or just don't know about flatpak (unlikely, unless they're just using Ubuntu for college classes).

AppImage is a very different thing, they're closer to portable apps and I don't see anyone on Windows complaining about portable apps vs .exe/.msi installed apps.

Snaps itself has a place in CLI/server environment, it's just Canonical insisting on using it for everything and in such an in-your-face kind of way that makes people annoyed.

I don't think it's as much a problem as some make it out to be, just use whichever has most of your apps. They're just tools in the end.

The difference, I'd say, is that pretty much all apps on Windows have been in the past an exe/msi file, and installs on your system. The only difference with portable ones, is that it doesn't install it, it's just... there. AppImages are similar. At least with the integration stuff, it creates a launcher, etc.
I've recently started doing a lot of resin 3D printing, and my printer came with Chitubox 1.9.4. But it's just a tar ball, and I have to execute it either via CLI or Nautilus... and that's a crappy user experience (it also uses Qt file-chooser on Gnome...

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: slaapliedjeI bet you if there could be alt stores to snap, no one would hate it as much as they do.

Well that is the situation today but people still hate it as much as they do. Now there AFAIK does not yet exist such a store, but there _could_ do since everything needed to build it is available, it's just that no one have bothered and that is hardly Canonical:s fault.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but I'm pretty sure their backend is tied very much into their client.

The URL to the store is most likely hardcoded in the source code of snapd, but the code is open so it can be forked and so far we don't know how Canonical would treat a patch that changes that to a config value under say /etc/snap.d/.

Right, but who would want to bother when you can just use flatpak? :)

Of course, but then perhaps also at the same time stop the hate for snap? I mean that was the context, not that you had to use it ;)

My actual problem with snap is how difficult it is to remove it from an Ubuntu system... well less about how difficult it is, but it's annoying that it breaks the Ubuntu Software Center when you do. If you want to just use flatpak / debs, you're basically going to be using gnome-software (if you want gui).

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Quoting: fenglengshun

Quoting: Cyril

Quoting: LinuxerAww there is no snap for it or a flatpak

An AppImage is not good for you I assume?
I installed it from the AUR on my side.

I honestly prefer something with better integration to my system and easier updating.

Though thankfully, there IS Bauh which makes installing and updating AppImage easier. And they maintain a database of extra AppImage sources on top of AppImageHub, so maybe someone can ask for this to be added ther (I personally doubt I'll ever use this, since it doesn't seem like ith as Switch emulation integrated yet).

What's annoying is we're ending up with the same nonsense we did before. Oh, we have RPM, tar.gz, deb... oh wait, now you're saying .deb between Ubuntu and Debian aren't compatible; and rpm between Suse and RH aren't compatible...

Now come along Flatpak, universal package management! Except now there is Snap and AppImage, which are also universal package management! Though AppImage is kind of lacking in the management department! I haven't heard of Bauh, I'll have to check that out, as I do use a few AppImages. But at least we're not like Windows, where you pretty much always have to go to a site, hope it's the manufacturer's site, and download an installer that may or may not have been tampered with, etc.

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Quoting: ElectricPrism

QuoteGNOME 44 is out now finally adding thumbnails to the file picker

Well, that's it. Hell has frozen over.

Well, Utah is hell, and it Froze over earlier this year... :P

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Mumrik93Where did Atari get the money to buy them? The Atari VCS was a massive failure on so many levels I have issues believing any bank would be inclined to give them a loan.

Do you own one? I quite like the device. One of the issues with it, they screwed up on distribution and haven't been shipping to the UK/EU! People want them, but have to go through terrible means to get them.

No, people don't want the Atari VCS, it's good you like yours but People in general don't want it. It offers nothing anyone else does not, it offers less while demanding the same price as it's main competitors. They wasted time and resources that was supposed to go to the VCS into building a casino website with cryptocurrency, calling it Atari Casino, in order to make money.

The Atari VCS was a scam from beginning to end. They lied about devs lining up to port their games to it, they lied about it being a smaller and simpler alternative to the big gaming consoles, they released it with an unfinished server infrastructure and several other hardware and software issues, something that's openly being discussed in the VCS rubreddit.

It's good that you like, but most people don't like it, it received almost no positive reviews from established reviewers, its almost all criticism, and that's well earned criticism. Sales fell from decent to abysmal in just half a year due to the console not living up to Atari's hype.

Have you seen the bitterness people have towards any of the consoles? There's always some whining going on. For what the system was intended to be (an open platform that you can dual boot whatever on, and the small AtariOS games that they are releasing at a steady pace). The people complaining about it are similar to you, ones that don't actually own one.

My biggest gripe about it is their store kind of sucks because you can only purchase one game at a time. Most established reviewers were going to bash on it regardless because of the shenanigans that went on for it to finally be released. A lot of that well deserved, as there was some shenanigans going on. But at the end of the day, it's a well designed piece of hardware that is fun for the type of games Atari was known for; booting up, playing a quick few runs of $something, dying a bunch, swearing at your TV, then it's out of your system for a bit.

The real downside to such a thing is if you're going to play a game for 10m to an hour... having to boot up an OS sucks, that's why Cartridge based systems are king here...

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Ha, someone needs to hunt down what game it is that Vampire Survivor is like. Space Dungeon and Robotron 2084 were basically the beginnings of games like Binding of Isaac. Vampire Survivors added some stuff to the general gameplay and made it more open, but it doesn't feel like it was original in any way, and there were some much older games with pretty much identical gameplay, I just can't place them when I think about it, I can picture it in my head, but damned if I can remember the names. It's also similar to Necromancer on the 8bit computers.

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Quoting: Mumrik93Where did Atari get the money to buy them? The Atari VCS was a massive failure on so many levels I have issues believing any bank would be inclined to give them a loan.

Do you own one? I quite like the device. One of the issues with it, they screwed up on distribution and haven't been shipping to the UK/EU! People want them, but have to go through terrible means to get them.

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Quoting: Craggles086What Atari classics do we want to see remastered?

The last decent Asteroid’s game I saw was the one released by Ambrosia Software, that was later open sourced.

And there was a two player variation I seem to remember having a lot of fun with on the PC, cannot remember the name as it was released about the time when Worms and Worms Reloaded were still very popular, so probably ancient.

Asteroids recharged is a blast, just came out in the last few months.

Quoting: jordicomaWhat? Atari is alive? I thought that only were releasing their old games and the vcs.
It's a zombie company eating another company. Hopefully don't become a zombie too.

Yeah, they actually hired someone that is interested in releasing games, and supporting the VCS.

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Quoting: dpanterWhat the hell Atari? Get your disastrous fingers away from good companies! Ugh

Actual current Atari is somewhat decent, as a whole lot of the bad apples from when they first announced the VCS are gone, and they're attempting to shift solely to video games + whatever hardware. They generally at least use / support Linux quite well, and are finally getting inline with being good after... well close to 30 years...

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: slaapliedjeI bet you if there could be alt stores to snap, no one would hate it as much as they do.

Well that is the situation today but people still hate it as much as they do. Now there AFAIK does not yet exist such a store, but there _could_ do since everything needed to build it is available, it's just that no one have bothered and that is hardly Canonical:s fault.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but I'm pretty sure their backend is tied very much into their client.

The URL to the store is most likely hardcoded in the source code of snapd, but the code is open so it can be forked and so far we don't know how Canonical would treat a patch that changes that to a config value under say /etc/snap.d/.

Right, but who would want to bother when you can just use flatpak? :)

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