Quoting: scaineThis is obviously false. Or maybe it's just your opinion? I remember things like Upstart being adopted distro-wide for many years before being replaced by systemd, and Uncomplicated Firewall is the default is in most distros today.

I only remember a couple distros like Fedora adopting Upstart. I'm pretty sure it was never included in CentOS.

I've never heard of Uncomplicated Firewall. I pretty much use arno's firewall for configuring iptables. Or firewalld.

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanualAh. That's not one I can test to see if the issue is still around.

Yeah, it's definitely still around. Even the new version of their app seems to sometimes copy it, sometimes not. I can't recall if it was in this thread or a comment I saw somewhere else, where someone said they'd try 10 times to copy something and it'd only work like 3-4 times. It definitely feels like there is something wrong/funky with it.

Which makes me sad, as that is ONE feature I use ALL the time (the old X11 highlight/paste with middle mouse button) that is non-existent on every other operating system, and Wayland seems to be against it being a thing...

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Quoting: EikeThought that looks boring, watched trailer, now think that does look absolutely stylish!

Man, we've gone a long way since Space Invaders. :D

Missile Command! That was my first thought from the description. It better support the trackball...

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: pleasereadthemanual

Quoting: CybolicSteam has a help page with a bit more info.

QuoteNVIDIA users will need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver as the open-source Mesa Nouveau driver currently does not support Vulkan.

Looks like it's due for an update.

I guess this is an important feature to have for 47 considering Fedora Workstation plans to drop the X session from the installation media in Fedora 41.

Though the X11 packages will still be in the repositories, that will make Fedora Workstation the first major Linux distribution to be Wayland-only, with Pop!_OS to follow soon.

Now if we could just get that color management protocol finalized...

I hate this, because Wayland still breaks copy/paste in several apps that I use... Not to mention randomly stuff with the old X11 style of having that extra clipboard doesn't work correctly...

I've never experienced this and now I'm curious. What apps don't let you copy stuff to your clipboard?

Usually older apps, like I know the Nitrokey one doesn't work correctly in Wayland. It has a systray icon that you're supposed to be able to use the drop down, select the password and it will go into the clipboard for unlocking KeepassXC in Xorg, but it doesn't work in Wayland. There are a few other times I've ran into it, but can't recall exactly where...

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: ToddLI'm glad that RISC-V continues to make in-roads when it comes to CPU architectures and interested to see where it goes in the future since it's nice to have CPU alternatives besides ARM and x86-64.

What would be nice is if there were an affordable PPC as well...

The only affordable PPC is used Macs from way back but it seems like it doesn't get a lot of love from the industry because it's being relegated to servers and not desktop.

Yeah, they are sweet processors, but IBM basically has the price locked into 'not for consumers'. I have a few old Macs to run MorphOS on though :)

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanual

Quoting: CybolicSteam has a help page with a bit more info.

QuoteNVIDIA users will need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver as the open-source Mesa Nouveau driver currently does not support Vulkan.

Looks like it's due for an update.

I guess this is an important feature to have for 47 considering Fedora Workstation plans to drop the X session from the installation media in Fedora 41.

Though the X11 packages will still be in the repositories, that will make Fedora Workstation the first major Linux distribution to be Wayland-only, with Pop!_OS to follow soon.

Now if we could just get that color management protocol finalized...

I hate this, because Wayland still breaks copy/paste in several apps that I use... Not to mention randomly stuff with the old X11 style of having that extra clipboard doesn't work correctly...

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Quoting: ToddLI'm glad that RISC-V continues to make in-roads when it comes to CPU architectures and interested to see where it goes in the future since it's nice to have CPU alternatives besides ARM and x86-64.

What would be nice is if there were an affordable PPC as well...

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: pleasereadthemanualLike any GNOME purist, I completely disagree with the premise. GNOME is great even without extensions and I don't use any.

I'm sure that's true now, (for you and many others, even though I still disagree) but back in 2010, the original Shell beta was baffling and largely unusable unless you followed blogs that described the philosophy behind it.

Having owned a Nokia N900, it made perfect sense to me. I still miss using that phone, it was lovely.

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Oooh, I'm wanting an FPGA / MiSTer based motherboard now too! Like how awesome would that be? Stop trying to make me buy from you, Framework!

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Quoting: Doktor-Mandrake

Quoting: grigiIt's a laudable effort from Canonical to try and harden the linux desktop by using sandboxing as standard.
Just, why do they always have to do the Not-Invented-Here thing all the time.

True, Snap supports more use cases than either Flatpak or oci, but its such a closed ecosystem that nobody else dares adopt it. So it just develops at a slower pace, and gets less testing. And sits with horrible performance for years, etc...

It's basically the reason I tell people to move off Ubuntu as their snapification of everything is really breaking things.

Frustrating that Ubuntu (Means: Working together well) is not working together.

What do your suggest for the people you tell to move off ubuntu?

I'm on ubuntu atm and mostly stuck with ubuntu to keep things as simple as possible for me, I was enjoying linux mint prior to that but don't like how further behind mint is with things like wayland ect

I'd say stick with ubuntu if you don't have any particular problems with it. That advice applies to any distro to be honest. The only other LTS distro that isn't based off Ubuntu I could hypothetically recommend is debian, although installing it and setting it up isn't the most easy thing in the world compared to Ubuntu (especially on newer hardware). I'd say Fedora (workstation and the KDE spin at least) is the closest to Ubuntu in terms of ease of use and installation, although they aren't LTS distros so you'd have to deal with major version upgrades more often (once a year at minimum). There's also not a super easy way to set up system snapshots for recovery on Fedora at the moment (btrfs or otherwise) if you use the default partition setup, so keep that in mind, although I've gone months without having any major issues with standard updates.

tl;dr If it ain't broke don't fix it, and either debian or fedora depending on whether you like ubuntu lts or the interim release cycle.

Debian's install seems to be easier if you use their LiveCD image to boot from. It's far more similar to Ubuntu's installer. You really only need the full installer if you're doing some more refined stuff, like software raid, etc. Fedora's partitioning is horrific... Anaconda in general needs a UI expert to go through and fix...

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