Quoting: beko

Quoting: 14Well, now I know why I wasn't experiencing this well-known bug. It must not occur to KDE Plasma users.

Gnome user here. I never experienced this well known bug. It must not occur to Gnome users.

??

I wasn't over-valuing my anecdotal experience. The article said that it was related to ibus which is installed by Gnome.

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Quoting: mao_dze_dunSorry, but you could have straight taken the bills and lit them on fire. This game was DOA the moment it was announces. PUBG can't keep up with Fortnite, but Crazy Juice (which looks like a straight rip-off) will? Please...

You don't have to be the #1 most popular in a category to be successful. Fortnite might be the one to beat, but my friends and I don't even like that one. Consider that League of Legends would be considered more popular than Dota 2, yet Dota 2 is still a very successful game that many players love.

Aside from that, I guess I'm not so eager for Crazy Justice to release now. It goes without saying that a game has to work.

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Well, now I know why I wasn't experiencing this well-known bug. It must not occur to KDE Plasma users.

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Looking good.

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Quoting: GuestSo now that I've had time to think about this news more, I thought I'd try add more discussion points.

Disclaimer: I personally find it odd that people are praising Valve so much here. Valve didn't make wine. Or dxvk. Or actually any of the tools that make this possible. They're just packaging it into Steam.

Anyway, so the first point for me is that nothing here couldn't be done before, and wasn't already being done before. Wine could already be used, and what whitelisted games I have already ran completely fine anyway on a vanilla wine with no extra patches. Furthermore, some games that run on that vanilla wine don't run with Steam Play, likely because the latter is based off an older version of wine - and this I consider a "con" of Steam Play. It's not very likely to get updates in a hurry, and a lot of games benefit from those updates.

As a "pro", this does package everything nicely into Steam and avoids a lot of hassle for people who just want to push a button. I'm really not the target audience for this - I run gentoo, I like bleeding edge, I like customisation. I would say the target audience is more towards people who are likely to use SteamOS because it's bundled with whatever system they've bought. For them, from an end user experience, this would be great.

Another "con" however, is that something like this already exists! Lutris, for example. And many games really only work properly with different wine versions, different overrides, that sort of thing. Wine can be a bit of a temperamental beast, and needs coaxing to get it running sometimes, which Lutris handles far better (and doesn't need Steam to do it). appdb.winehq.org already has what I consider a "whitelist" - a community run lit of games that work nicely. Maybe there are plans for something similar here - it's still early days to know what the longer term plans are for Steam Play.

On the matter of support, I personally would prefer eON over wine. Native support (i.e support for running the game on GNU/Linux), and quite honestly eON is far more reliable. I could never run The Witcher 2 over wine, but could run it with the eON version (even initially, on fglrx drivers, it would run - and now of course it runs really damned smooth with mesa). As nice as it may be for some, don't forget that this is not official developer support for any of the games. At all. So don't expect money back if a purchased game doesn't run under wine. At least the announcement hinted at that.

To end on a "pro", the real news for me is apparent financial backing for some development effort. The wording makes me think that's what most of the effort from Valve really is (other than Steam packaging): financial backing, so if Valve employees are doing a lot more then I do apologise! This means that hopefully development will generically improve on things like dxvk and vkd3d, which helps the wine experience in general, for everybody, not just Steam users.

News flash: people like you and me are not the norm. The work Valve is doing here is great for the ecosystem. I'm very excited about this just like I'm excited for new Ubuntu releases even though I don't use Ubuntu.

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Quoting: 14

Quoting: Spud13ySo I guess this is how gaming on Linux will die.

Whatever. If the one or two games I have installed in Windows works with this Steam Play system, then I can nuke my Windows drive a year and a half earlier than I was planning.

Quoting myself because I need to correct the Windows game count. Looking at my Windows drives, I haven't booted to it since April. I also found what I really had installed. I looked at the games I had installed and referenced them on WineHQ. It looks like the pending doom of my Windows drives comes down to just two games. Considering how little I boot to Windows, how much do I care about PUBG and DOSII? Hmm....

Should work in WINE / Steam Play:
Dark Souls II
TERA
ESO
GW 2
Dishonored
Battlefield 4

Doesn't work in WINE:
PUBG
Divinity Original Sin II (runs but can't read books)

EDIT: Unintentional smiley

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Quoting: Spud13ySo I guess this is how gaming on Linux will die.

Whatever. If the one or two games I have installed in Windows works with this Steam Play system, then I can nuke my Windows drive a year and a half earlier than I was planning.

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I wonder how it is to play against AI. I can imagine the computer making perfect decisions with much foresight and crushing me every time. Playing against people would help. But maybe the AI difficulty options are pretty effective.

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I'm gonna have to look for gameplay videos or streams. The trailer doesn't quite show me where my time would be spent.

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Quoting: Arehandoro

Quoting: 14

Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: 14$500 for the least expensive one. No thanks.

Believe me when I say that I spend 80% or more of my gaming time on PC. Still, I can't convince myself that a $500 video card is worth it when you can buy an entire console gaming system for $300. Come on.

You are not wrong, but a console has many many drawbacks but that has always been the downside of pc gaming yes it offers a far superior gaming experience than a console however upgrading a pc is expensive if you intend to keep it bleeding edge however a console is a one and done expense. But given a 750 ti @ 1080p either out performs or performs the same as a base xbox 1 and ps4 given most console games the equivlent pc setting is either med/high but in some more demanding games when its upscaled from 900p like last of us remastered its more like 1600x900 high.

Right. It comes down to value to the buyer. I am not arguing that one should play console instead of PC. But, for some, it's more economical. And, when consoles just release, they can be better performance for your money. Now that the current gen systems have been out for a few years, yes, PC components are good for your money in comparison.

Not the right forum to talk about this, but whilst it's true bying components for PC is more expensive buying games is cheaper. By tens of £/€/$ in many cases. Not taking into account the payment of the network system or the fact that a game bought in PC usually can be played in different systems (Linux, Mac, Windows) and for many years to come, if not forever, thanks to software like Wine or DosBox independently of the PC you have. On the other hand, in most cases, a same game in console needs to be bought again in the new system if one does not have the original it was released on.

In the long run, gaming on PC might not be necessarily much more expensive.

You have valid points, but their weight, I think, might be reduced by the fact that you can resell console games. If you are someone that likes to hang onto games forever, then selling old games isn't a selling point. For me, I do not keep old games lying around. I will buy a full price PS4 game and then sell it and roll that money into a used game. I can usually do that three times before my cash snowball runs out and I need to buy a brand new game again. In the end, I play through three games for the price of one. Examples:
Dark Souls III -> Uncharted 4 -> Last of Us Remastered
Ghost Recon: Wildlands -> Monster Hunter -> Far Cry 5

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