Quoting: Guest

Quoting: MalYes: Sony is a promoter of Vulkan.

Are they though? They are promoters of the Khronos Group… I searched the web and Sony’s web sites and couldn’t find any mention of Vulkan.

Right. Dunno how much changes the things in practice though.

Sony is very big. Much bigger than just PS4. Their interest int he technology doesn't necessarily translate in something console related.


The way I see it: in the long run to jump on Vulkan is the win move. In the short run though they'll lose some performance edge on the xbone: their semi native graphic api is on a lower level than Vulkan/DirectX12. Which means it's almost surely faster than the two (and in fact ps4 strongly outperforms xbone on every single title). What they really loses is compatibility of present titles with an eventual PS5.

If they really want to walk this way they need good timing for the switch.

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"You must construct additional conveyors!"

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Yes: Sony is a promoter of Vulkan.

Yes: Sony never hinted in any way that it will adopt Vulkan for the ps.

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Quoting: ricki42In addition, don't buy using mobile, apparently that always gets counted as Windows.

WTF?!?

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Quoting: Mal

Quoting: KimyrielleNot sure why game devs would want to support two rendering paths when one of the already is supporting every single platform they could possibly want to support in the long run

Cough...

UWP...

cough cough...

Tbh, I cannot really see major developers basically submitting whatever business leverage they have to Microsoft and be forever at their mercy, even if that's exactly what MS has in mind. EA wants to keep Origin and Ubisoft wants to keep UPlay because that gives them direct no-middleman access to the market. I don't have a crystal ball, but I cannot see UWP monopolizing gaming anytime soon.

Yeah I think too that pc gaming will do a lot to remain free.

But uwp and direct 12 are already the future of xbox and you can't ignore it as a developer. The fact that they automatically make your game run on win 10 pc is just very very convenient: xbox + pc with a single tech? You can bet it will have success.
Also many publishers (square Enix, sega, etc) don't run a market so they don't care much about being forced to sell via M$. That's why we all look at specific players like riot, blizzard or ea.

Vulkan is the tech if you develop for pc (civilization, total war, etc). But for games that target consoles too directx 12 has a lot of convenience.

That being said: imagine a world where Sony go crazy and open ps to Vulkan. The arguments above would be completely defeated. Many big heads at M$ would immediately arakiri XD

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Quoting: KimyrielleNot sure why game devs would want to support two rendering paths when one of the already is supporting every single platform they could possibly want to support in the long run

Cough...

UWP...

cough cough...

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Mal

Quoting: wvstolzingSo what does this imply for the hardware side of the xbox business? Are they discontinuing it? Won't people riot because they're forced to become 'PC gamers'? Wouldn't that entail total Sony dominance in the 'console space'?

Consoles are dead friend. This is their last iteration.

Microsoft knows it and Sony probably suspects it.

And Nintendo is laughing at you.

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/


Here, do yourself a BIG favor.

Sort by PC games first. http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PC&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

- Find Half-Life on that list.

- Add the Steam sales of Half-Life on Steam. http://steamspy.com/app/70

9.8 million copies of Half-Life (or even 11.8 million of Half-Life 2) isn't even--(wait for it)--HALF of what Wii Sports did, or Super Mario Bros. did ... in 1985!!!

If you think companies like this are going to lay down and die, just because you and your little slice of Linux said so, I can only offer this:

Pokémon GO

Whatever you feel about this, take comfort in this one fact. If you get this game on Android, you can say you supported it on Linux. ;)

So according to your number PS2 is the future of consoles and developer will target it. GG. Your number crunching skills sold me.

Back to serious stuff I never said a thing about linux (or SteamOs) killing consoles. Windows 10 will.

Win10 "xbox edition" is already everything that SteamOs craves to be and when the current generation will be old (in 1 or maximum 2 years) M$ has all the interest to break the "generation model" to transition to more flexible hardware model.

A game on xbox one today is game you take with you in all future xboxes (+ PCs) for the foreseeable future. Under this aspect it has all the advantages of a linux game in the steam library in the M$ world.

So M$ can really settle to whatever model it wants: from making "win10 xbox edition" free to download for everybody so they can build xbox machines, to let OEMs license it and eat each other for the low hardware margins to just release a sanctioned and upgraded xbox one model each year (like the iphone do).

Portability (or retrocompatibility as they call it) is a huge value for console gamers. That's why consoles delay the next generation for as long as possible. M$ set the course to break this limitation in their ecosystem. Yeah: Sony won the xboxone/ps4 battle. But if doesn't do something quickly it will lose the war because when this console generation dies, traditional consoles will die with it.

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Quoting: toorDo you think microsoft is getting major video game medias to give a bad image of steamOS ? :þ

? Ofc they do.

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Quoting: wvstolzingSo what does this imply for the hardware side of the xbox business? Are they discontinuing it? Won't people riot because they're forced to become 'PC gamers'? Wouldn't that entail total Sony dominance in the 'console space'?

Consoles are dead friend. This is their last iteration.

Microsoft knows it and Sony probably suspects it.

Why do you think they brought win 10 on xbox one? In a couple of years, when their hardware will be to crappy for AAA titles, Microsoft will do what Valve is doing now: windows machines. Gaming PC with console form factor to put under your tv in your living room.

That is the "next generation".

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Quoting: HomepcgamerMaybe Sweeney explains better the situation...

He does indeed:

QuotePC UWP can, should, must, and will die as a result of industry backlash,

Tim Sweeney :D

Pew. this happened sooner than I expected.

All right Blizzard, RIOT and EA. Someone just said clearly what everybody is thinking. You cannot just pretend that nothing happened. Microsoft just set its table to eat your cakes.

Is time to phone Gaben, throw down the money for some linux devs, join the SteamOs consortium and re-brand it as "GamingOs" or whatever you want. And start to port your stuff on the penguin ofc.

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