I remember reading an article about this game some time ago. I think the "crypto" part is what backs the in game currency, which people spend real money on.

But yeah, the description I remember reminded me of the Sims and second life. It even mention people putting ridiculous sums of money into it (atleast by my life standards).

The whole metaverse game thing isn't my bag... But if you're into it, I'm glad you found something you like.

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Yeah, BZ1 I really struggled with control wise and while 2 was nice, it was kinda in that weird time when everyone did 3D, but the quality and lack of computing power meant the 3D environments and characters were kinda desolate.

Sacrifice had the same problem with environments, but had a lot of (goody) character, especially compared to BZ2, which I felt was a little bland compared to the cool industrial/cold war theme of BZ1.

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Quote"a co-operative, competitive, asymmetric, third-person, first-person, RTS, FPS, shooter-hybrid thing that takes place in the Half-Life universe"

Not gonna lie, I read this line and wondered if someone programmed an AI to spitball "popular game concepts"

I preferred Sacrifice to the Battlezones. I think the silliness really helped.

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Anti black Friday sale by having a black Friday sale???

So edgy....

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15$ seems like a very good deal. Kerbal Space Program is probably one of my favorite games of all time.

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Quoting: Glog78Something to think -> is a good example which did come up denyasis (for other reasons)

If someone removes Network Manager -> is this package essential with systemd networkd still being around or not ?

Just a question :)

Question 2 to make it hard -> if one distribution says it is essential and the other says it isn't -> what would you as an developer of a not distribution package choose as an answer ?

Question 3 to make it completly lost -> what if the user wants to exchange network manager against wicd ?

Good questions. I'm not sure if it's "Essential", in terms of apt's "Essential" or not ( or for the basic functioning of Sude) It's default on both my systems, but, jumping to #3, that's actually a graphical option in YAST in openSuse (which requires authentication).

Back to #2, I would probably mark things that effect core functionality of what you expect to function on a Desktop as Essential. So yeah, I'd mark it "Essential" if I were a Dev. Here's my thought. If I remove it ( without having a replacement setup), you likely don't have a functioning system anymore. Can't look up why the network is failing (no internet), nor install alternatives to wickd, networkd or connman, etc (no internet). You can't automatically assume they have an alternate internet connection (phone, other computer, friends, public internet) to diagnose and fix the problem.

I think that decision really comes down to the goals and objectives of the Distro (including user thier expected user base) I wouldn't expect that on Arch/Gentoo/LFS where you might pick you network deamon during setup. But I might on a Distro that installs it by default and targets general users like me. (I can't really expect a user to know what every package is, or it's importance from the package name).


PS. Thanks for the PolKit info. Gives me some doors to peek at. In a stroke of good UI, XFCE tells you exactly what is requesting permission when it asks for the admin password. I know it's PolKit's org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.modify.system.settings rule (I'm paraphrasing the name a bit), because it lists it. Sadly (perhaps bad UI?), I know what the rule request is, but not what exactly invoked the rule.

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Thanks for the info! I think we can certainly find arguments on what we would call a safety net or not, especially for a distro aiming for a more advanced (or adventurous) user.

Yeah, I would not advise a new user to use OpenSuse. There are just enough rough edges, even at my skill level, that I run into hiccups. I'll say my installs are non standard and I've tweaked a lot, so it could be user error.



PolKit is an enigma to me, especially since Suse seems to modify it, so it's not entirely the same as upstream and thier documentation is inconsistent. Steam tries to modify network settings on start, invoking a polkit rule. Depending on the DE, KDE just works, XFCE asks for the admin password, Enlightenment spams the password dialog, locking up the environment.

Maybe I should get this influencer guy to try it on OpenSuse? Lol

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Quoting: Arten

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Arten

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: AussieEeveeThere is a tiny little warning blended in with all the other white noise on the screen, and blaming Linus is just silly.

TINY? lol - dude, there was NO "white noise". There's FIRST an explicit warnings, very clearly put, AND info on what exact packages are about to be installed (for you to make up your own mind), then ANOTHER very explicit warning AND you're required to type a bloody SENTENCE to get through with it.
If that ain't clear enough then you're not really mature to use a system that gives you full control. You're supposed to READ what the system tells you. Read, and comprehend.

With great powers comes great responsibilities - and that goes for the package managers too. Most definitely.

But if you're after a OS that completely PADS you inside a fuzzy box where you can do nothing to harm you - well then Linux is not, was never and hopefully never will be your right choice.

Are you aware about incident has been on Pop!_OS? Beginer friendly distro?

Far be it from me to continue what is turning toxic, but it's hard not to point out that the problem was actually that the install from the gui didn't work and didn't break the system, and it took googling, following random comments from the 'net, and a command line to actually "break" it (not really broken, just without a graphical desktop).

If the reaction from (and I keep wanting to type POS, even though I know the bad humour in that) had been to do exactly what KDE has done here, would the conversation be different now?

And reason why is get to googling is gui fault. Gui can more explicitly say "try later or report error" and when you google it anyway apt can force you to write "Yes, remove esencial packages", or "Yes, potentialy break system" instead of "Yes, do as I say" becasue "Yes, do as I say" tells nothing.
Migrating Windows users dont know about writing sentence is somethink to be aware of.
I did not say that APT fix is best way. What i prefere is "Yes, potentionaly break system" and/or hide everethink from output except warnings/errors and and instruction to write "Yes, potentionaly break system" and another option "write 'detail' for full information"... That is my prefered way how handle this.

I agree. While my preference would be to significantly update apt's UI to provide better formatted info, I can't really be upset at this change.

The package manger is so powerful, fairly unique, and often used, it really needs a very good UI. We all know a package manger warning or error is a big deal, but brush off the hundreds of warnings and errors WINE throws out while gaming, because we understand the difference of the importance of those programs to the system, how common they occur, and thier impact.

Heck, I'd be ok with a short intro paragraph on first run emphasizing that the warning and errors can lead to system failure. I think sudo does a first run warning. Could even do it color! Or bold! Make use of all our fancy new terminal font abilities!!

Something like:

** WARNING - SYSTEM MODIFICATION **
The package manager ALTERS CRITICAL SYSTEM FUNCTIONS. Ignoring warnings or errors on ANY operation may result in system breakage. ESSENTIAL packages are needed for basic functionality and should NOT BE REMOVED. (And... Add something witty?)

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Quoting: Glog78Since i use arch on my machine , there is no real default "net"

Really? I'm not familiar with arch, I've used the wiki a ton... it's So helpful!!

But I'd be really surprised if you have to backup all your custom confs in /etc because pacman overwrites them on every update. Or that a DE doesn't use PolKit (or equivalent) without some sort of base default rules package.

I feel it would be a little weird to have no system safe guards, even coming from upstream.

*I could be totally wrong about Arch and if so, I'd gladly share a frosty beverage of your choice if you could enlighten me on the rules.d local override process for Polkit. Trying to fix an issue with Steam and the network.

** Oh, I missed that part in your post. If you count OpenSuse as "mainstream". It has full system snapshot by default, courtesy of BTRFS. Reboot, pick the old snapshot in GRUB and good to go! (Ok... you need a terminal command to finish the rollback, you know, altering the file system and all).

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Quoting: Glog78

Quoting: denyasisUmmmmmm

Y'all know you can turn the safety net off right?

Like it looks like it could be a command line option, or you could put it in the apt conf file.


It's not even a big deal. I mean the most we'd have to do is Google it when we run that issue.

but isn't exactly this what linus did -> turn of the safety net by going to the commandline and even ignoring the warnings there ?
How do you want prevent people from googling and doing still what they are not meant to do ?

It's an open source OS. You can do anything with it, even change the source to remove any safety net. While nothing will prevent that, I don't find it unreasonable to make it a little harder to nuke your system from the UI, especially for a program that gets a lot of user attention and use and so powerful/integral to the OS.

But if it's that oppressive, you can turn it off, just like the others. I can foresee doing that myself in some cases.

Come to think of that, I'm genuinely curious; What other safety nets do you turn off on your system?


I think mine are all on, the number of times apt has saved me be refusing to overwrite conf files in /etc is high.


Edit: sorry my spelling is horrible and apparently I can't complete a sentence today.

Edit: ahhh it's worse Everytime I read it!!!

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