Quoting: KimyrielleIn all honesty, 32 bit stuff DOES need to go at some point. I mean, for how long is Linux supposed to carry on that old baggage?

That Steam (which is one of the most important Linux applications there is, and is maintained by a multi-billion dollar business) STILL doesn't have a 64 bit client is quite frankly unforgivable.

I would really think they should agree on a reasonable grace period and then elbow people into finally updating their legacy 32 bit apps. If after that date, people still -really- insist on running decades-old software or even older hardware, they can still maintain and build these packages themselves. It's open source software, after all.

It's much easier for Valve to release a single 32-bit client that works on every system than having to either support two versions or forcing clients to upgrade to 64-bit hardware. Then there is the technical detail of letting 32-bit games use the steam overlay, not sure if there are some technical details here or not also that could create problems if the steam client was 64-bit (I have no experience with crossing the 32- and 64-bit boundary like this).

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: hallieballieI really do not understand why systemd is so great, it is an annoying system to deal with.

When you need to debug form a rescue environment, it is very difficult to see what went wrong, to access logging is science these days.

The time with init scripts was heaven, now we are in hell.

When you need to debuf from a rescue environment with the old init scripts you would be lucky if you where able to find any form of logs at all. On a systemd system though everything can be found with journalctl, even things that daemons wrote to stderr or stdout are caught.

As a server admin, systemd is the single best thing that have happened to Linux since the kernel.

I do like the features of systemd but I also think some of the detractors make sense.
It has a feature creep and seems to expand into a lot of things.

Yeah, boo on software that innovates and creates new useful features ;). What those detractors never recognise is that the "feature creep" is not in systemd the init daemon but systemd the project (that consists of independent applications, all of which are completely optional) where the aim is to create a common plumbing layer for Linux (aka system admins can expect to have access to the same set of tools regardless of system).

Few people complained when the GNU project forked all the unix tools back in the day and implemented their own set of useful extensions, most people only notice that when they happen to use some system that don't use the GNU versions (like Solaris or the BSD:s) at which point many feel constrained and crippled by the lack of those extensions (the countless times I've cursed when administrating some Solaris machines...).

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Quoting: hallieballieI really do not understand why systemd is so great, it is an annoying system to deal with.

When you need to debug form a rescue environment, it is very difficult to see what went wrong, to access logging is science these days.

The time with init scripts was heaven, now we are in hell.

When you need to debuf from a rescue environment with the old init scripts you would be lucky if you where able to find any form of logs at all. On a systemd system though everything can be found with journalctl, even things that daemons wrote to stderr or stdout are caught.

As a server admin, systemd is the single best thing that have happened to Linux since the kernel.

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Sir_Diealot

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: rkfgI have a feeling that as SteamPlay becomes more and more reliable this situation will become common. I wonder what Valve would do if anything at all.

I hardly think that they pulled the native Linux build due to SteamPlay when you need a custom build of Proton to make it work.

Eh, it *will* work through SteamPlay. Good enough for the Linux folks.

Well if "not working properly" is what they deem good enough for Linux folks then I still don't see how they would not have played this card without SteamPlay.

It won't work on current Proton because it ships a slightly outdated Wine version. When they switch to a newer Wine NS2 will work fine (except for the issues I've described). For now there's a big memory leak in one of the Wine-provided functions, quoting the developer:

QuoteThe wine maintainers fixed the issues related to us (or better Luajit) using the 64 bit zero bit offset with NTAllocMemory with the release of 4.14
You need a custom proton build which is already based on wine 4.14

Which was exactly my point ;-)

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Quoting: F.UltraWill be testing Resident Evil 4 and Remnant: From the Ashes this weekend.

Remnant is great! I've played multiple playthroughs (20+ hours) and the only issues with Proton I know of is the character model not showing on the main menu, and having to launch with PROTON_FORCE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE=1 %command%
I had maybe 2 loading screen crashes total, but that seems to happen on Windows as well.

Apparently some people had their saves corrupted so I made sure to manually backup mine, never had an issue with it tho.

Hope there's more content coming soon, as the game is pretty short.

Yea it's one hell of a game. Hard as nails though (10 hours in and have just come to the root mother). Haven't experienced any crashes yet so I'm feeling lucky!

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Quoting: F.UltraWill be testing Resident Evil 4 and Remnant: From the Ashes this weekend.

haven't tested RE4 yet, but RE5, RE7 and revelations 1 and 2 all of them work, RE7 needs the media foundation fix.

They do? I didn't purchase them (the complete resident evil franchise have a Steam Sale right now) since only 4 seams to work without lots of workarounds and problems according to protondb.com. You should upload your info for those there!

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Will be testing Resident Evil 4 and Remnant: From the Ashes this weekend.

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Quoting: Sir_Diealot

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: rkfgI have a feeling that as SteamPlay becomes more and more reliable this situation will become common. I wonder what Valve would do if anything at all.

I hardly think that they pulled the native Linux build due to SteamPlay when you need a custom build of Proton to make it work.

Eh, it *will* work through SteamPlay. Good enough for the Linux folks.

Well if "not working properly" is what they deem good enough for Linux folks then I still don't see how they would not have played this card without SteamPlay.

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Quoting: rkfgI have a feeling that as SteamPlay becomes more and more reliable this situation will become common. I wonder what Valve would do if anything at all.

I hardly think that they pulled the native Linux build due to SteamPlay when you need a custom build of Proton to make it work.

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Quoting: sub"Watt.hour^-1" is "Watt per hour" and totally doesn't make sense.
Then again Watt x hour is energy not power.
I don't get that bubble. :D

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That's because it's carrot.watt.hour^-1, completely different thing!

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