Quoting: Eike

Quoting: GuestThats not how economics works. Why would any business create a product for a market that does not exist or is irrelevant in terms of the size of that market? Businesses always look at the size of the market and how much they could possibly get in sales vs the cost of servicing that market. The truth is for many game devs, the outgoings vs projected revenue isn't worth it. We have to show them that the market exists. The only metrics that really matter are sales metrics

Imagine you and a small group of people want chairs. All that's produced is tables. Then half of the group starts going to the retailer, buying tables, but tell everybody "I will use it as a chair! A chair, understand!"
What would be my reaction as a table manufacturer?
I'd say think: "Fine, have fun."
It's no incentive at all for me to produce chairs when I know people will still buy my stuff if I wont - quite the opposite.
What they are showing is not a market for chairs - it's a market for "whatever four-legged you make".

I understand that you're saying that less than a percent is not incentive enough to get chairs many Linux games - it seems you're right. You're hoping for an increasing Linux percentage - I don't see it. But either way, if your long term goal is native Linux games, people must demand native Linux games sooner or later.

Still that first group have something to sit on while the other have to stand.

Look, I'm with you and I think that everyone here is as well and you are damn correct in that we sooner or later must demand native Linux games but as you conclude yourself, 1% is not the enough to make that demand mean anything. There simply is no way around the fact that we have to increase that number (where exactly the limit is I do not know but it clearly is above 1%) and until then all proton does is allow us to still use Linux while getting access to the latest games.

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Quoting: hakzsam

Quoting: F.UltraBut then perhaps the problem lies in Mesa?! For with 19.1.0 also Wolfenstein II stopped working altogether due to some Vulkan init error and here DXVK isn't even being used so I can hardly blame it here).

This is now fixed in Mesa master [1]. Sorry for the breakage but it was actually a game bug. The fix will be in the next 19.1.x releases. Next time if you want to report bugs directly, feel free to open a ticket [2] under the Vulkan/Radeon component. Thanks!

[1] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/ef1787dbc95e138b782fef1fcc93279ccf0e4910
[2] https://bugs.freedesktop.org

Thanks, yes I added bugs there before in the past for e.g Dying Light but hadn't really gotten down to getting a clear error from Wolfenstein II in order to make a useful bug report yet. I will do better in the future!

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Quoting: DuncWell, if it's any consolation to indie devs reading GoL, my wishlist is a mess. :)

I'm even worse, I've never ever used the whishlist. When I'm in the mood for buying a game I simply go this site and see if GoL have covered anything recently that looks interesting.

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It's also quite clear from this announcement that what they where planning to do before Ubuntu backed was just to remove the text that said that Ubuntu was a recommended system. Going by some earlier comments on the Internet during this few hectic days one could almost get the impression that Valve was going to make sure that Steam could not be installed on Ubuntu at all :-)

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My only gripe right now is that Vampyr for some reason have had it's performance seriously downgraded the last versions of DXVK.

First it was reported that this happened because the new DXVK required some new Vulkan extension that wasn't in Mesa 19.0 and the fallback was slower, but then Mesa 19.1 with the extension came and the performance dropped even more :( so it went from a very playable game to completely unplayable.

But then perhaps the problem lies in Mesa?! For with 19.1.0 also Wolfenstein II stopped working altogether due to some Vulkan init error and here DXVK isn't even being used so I can hardly blame it here).

This on a RX480 btw.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: GuestWhatever you're smoking, I suggest you stop.

I work with radio communications, and have done so across multiple frequency bands. Standing on a slab of granite is more dangerous. Various foods that you eat (and whatever it is that you smoke) are more dangerous not only to yourself, but those around you.

This is my last post on the subject because I do not intend to derail the discussion about 32bit support. I just wanted to indicate the health implications of the IoT sector where Ubuntu Linux is now a central player. The type of people who continue to deny the many clear evidence will always be there. Just as the Trump administration buries studies that prove the effects of climate change.

As I mentioned earlier, one of the problems with EMF radiation is the fact that it breaks the synchronization of living organisms with the schumann frequency. And this is an undeniable fact that has serious consequences.

In 1960 a renowned researcher from the Max Planck Institute in Germany, Rutger Wever extended the studies on Schumann frequency and conducted an experiment with university students that volunteered to have their health state evaluated. The students had to spend four weeks in an underground bunker built for this experiment, totally isolated from the Schumann resonance. What happened during those weeks was impressive. All the students began to feel sick, suffer severe headaches, had strange emotions and felt exhausted. When the researcher Rutger Wever introduced in the bunker (without warning the students) the Schumann frequency generator, each participant experienced relief of their condition and quickly recovered.

But desynchronisation with the Schumann frequency isn't the only severe problem with EMF. The exposure to electromagnetic pollution leads to gradual and accentuated health deterioration by weakening the immune system. Consequently, some of the health problems that occur are:

Migraine
Blurred vision
Skin diseases
Depression
Hormonal disorders
Emotional disturbances
Poor memory
Cancer
Leukemia

No it's not, every single thing that you claim to be facts are just religious beliefs in the New Age community. As usual when it comes to things like this, for your "facts" to stand true then the rest of the entire world have to be part of a vast conspiracy to hide the "importance of the Schumann frequency".

The Wever experiment is so bad it's laughable, isolate people in a hermetically sealed small bunker for 4 weeks and then attribute all the symptoms to a magic property when all the symptoms can be adhere to people just being isolated for 4 weeks in a small area...

Or that they experienced that in a simple bunker in the woods of Germany while we the normal people can have people stuffed in submarines for months on end without any problem, or people up in ISS for months on end without problems. Not even the Appollo missions to the Moon suffered any problems like this when they where completely detached from your precious frequency for a long time...

Not to mention that your precious Schumann frequency are actually several different frequencies (since it's a resonance frequency) and that they all change depending on solar activity.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: F.UltraSo Ubuntu seeing more money in IoT and AI and thus want to put some focus into those areas are now them neglecting our preferences? Seriously, what is it with this whole distro-wars thing where people who use/like another distro just have to throw all kinds of shit at everyone else?

Could it be so simple as they actually thought that no one used 32-bit applications anymore since they saw the downloads of thsoe packages dropping off since 2015? No of course it has to be some grand evil plan where they want to remove everything that isn't IoT or AI...

You have many assumptions but they are mostly incorrect. I respect Ubuntu and I didn't throw all kinds of shit at everyone else. I started on Ubuntu 10.10 and I saw the many questionable decisions that they made since 2010.

It's also undeniable that they are focusing more on IoT recently. We live in a world where people want more. 5G, and the Internet of Things (IoT) that goes with it, promises to give us more.

5G and IoT promises to connect us in our homes, schools, workplaces, cities, parks and open spaces to over a trillion objects around the world. It promises cars that drive themselves, washing machines that order their own washing powder and softener plus of course super fast downloads and streaming.

And because I want to help humanity and Ubuntu users I will give you some additional IoT sector facts.

The USA is currently leading the way on 5G. At the June 2016 press conference where the Federal Communications Commission’s (FCC) head Tom Wheeler announced the opening up of low, mid and high spectrum’s. There was no mention of health effects whatsoever. But the dangers are real.

Thousands of studies link low-level wireless radio frequency radiation exposures to a long list of adverse biological effects, including:

DNA single and double strand breaks
oxidative damage
disruption of cell metabolism
increased blood brain barrier permeability
melatonin reduction
disruption to brain glucose metabolism
generation of stress proteins
a denser soup of electrosmog
effects on the skin
effects on the eyes
effects on the heart
immune system effects
effects on bacteria resistance
effects on plant health
effects on the atmosphere and depletion of fossil fuels
disruption of the natural ecosystem

That is just a long list of unsubstantiated pseudoscience that have no basis in reality. And if you do find some real studies in that long list of yours I can guarantee right now that they are studying energies that are extremely more powerful than was is used in wireless communications.

We've had cellphones and wireless networks for 36 years and still there is not a single case of increasing cancer rates or other deceases that the cranks are connecting to radio frequencies.

Fun fact is that the number of "EM-sensitive" people have decreased by a large margin since Facebook and Instagram became popular. Strange isn't it. Another fun fact is that to date there has not been a single "EM-sensitive" person that have been able to determine if they have been exposed or not to EM-radiation when the tests are blinded, imagine why...

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Quoting: zen_xeno

Quoting: F.UltraI think that what you have seen from the outside is Canonical going from having endless funds (from Shuttleworths selling of Twathe) to having those funds being dried up and having to earn actual income in order to stay alive.

I still believe that they have an interest in being a good linux distro, their users and the desktop. Just that they also try to cut everything unnecessary in order to keep the cost down as much as possible and this time they made the wrong decision that they thought that no one was using 32-bit software.

I myself stopped building 32-bit versions of our software back in 2016 when that first announcement came on ubuntu-dev and have not received a single request for it since then so I do think that it's an easy assumption to do unless you are deep into games and Wine.

About the "postponed" bit we don't really know about that either, earlier they where to abandon it altogether so in time they might come to the conclusion that they cannot postpone it either.

Indeed, it is not Shuttleworth's responsibility to indefinitely support what has enough popularity to be an entirely community maintained and funded operation, that's how he see's it, how you see it, how I see it, certainly.

IMO Valve should be the one funding the 32-bit support effort, they have the most at stake there, they have vast wealth to draw from and the motivation to gather the required resources. There perhaps ought to be a choice upon installation of Ubuntu whether to include legacy gaming support - Valve's official container (flatpak, Snap) or their official PPA, therein residing not only Steam but also all the maintained legacy 32-bit libraries at the heart of this whole imbroglio.

Valve has expended quite a huge effort toward improving gaming on linux. The client, the Steam machine efforts, Vulkan contributions, consultation and conferences with devs, and now proton. It is a huge effort, they must have easily spent millions on this. They prove their recent continued investment with proton - they have made the biggest investments of time and resources, I await their next move. IMO they should support Canonical and form an agreement to handle the 32-bit stuff going forward.

I do think however that it's in Ubuntu:s best interest to keep the 32-bit libs, if they loose too many users due to this then they risk becoming irrelevant which will impact them in the areas where they do make a living.

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Quoting: tmtvlC#, huh. A shame, I'd have loved to contribute some code, but if it's C# I can't. Still looking forward to what comes out.

Still popular on Windows and this seams to be a project by a Windows dev.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Prime_EvilGiven that part of the reason for dropping support for 32-bit libraries is the effort required to perform QA, would it be worth running a fundraiser so those who care about continued multiarch support can contribute towards a solution? Would Canonical be open to such a solution - it seems a better use of the community's time and effort than the angst out there at the moment...

When will you see the general picture? Ubuntu is reducing it's investments in the non-AI and non-IoT space since 2015 (or maybe much earlier). And it's very easy to find the reasons:

Canonical plans to raise its first outside funding as it looks to a future IPO "Throughout the years, Shuttleworth self-funded the project and never showed much interest in taking outside money. Now, however, that’s changing."

Mark Shuttleworth sees increased demand for enterprise Ubuntu Linux desktop "We have seen companies signing up for Linux desktop support, because they want to have fleets of Ubuntu desktop for their artificial intelligence engineers. We're starting actually now to commercially support the desktop in a way that we've never been asked to before," he said.

Canonical updates Ubuntu Core OS for IoT devices "Canonical’s announcement is important because although the battle for desktop and smartphone OS dominance has already been decided, it’s still pretty much wide open in the case of IoT, said Holger Mueller, principal analyst and vice president of Constellation Research Inc."

Why are you trying to keep Ubuntu alive for your own use case when their CEO and their team want to neglect your preferences and instead focus on IoT and AI?

So Ubuntu seeing more money in IoT and AI and thus want to put some focus into those areas are now them neglecting our preferences? Seriously, what is it with this whole distro-wars thing where people who use/like another distro just have to throw all kinds of shit at everyone else?

Could it be so simple as they actually thought that no one used 32-bit applications anymore since they saw the downloads of thsoe packages dropping off since 2015? No of course it has to be some grand evil plan where they want to remove everything that isn't IoT or AI...

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