Not everyone wants to play with wine.

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Quoting: GuestA PC does have endless value to a user but a £2000 gaming PC has zero value to the average every day user (95% of the market) beyond being able to play games. Stadia allows people to buy a £400 PC or laptop and still being able to play games and get the same value outside of that

I paid £1600 for my PC. I have a Ryzen 7 CPU, RX580 GPU and 32gb RAM; outside of playing games my PC is hardly pushed at all

I paid about 500$ for my pc and it plays most games reasonably well. I can even play a few tabs of hd youtube videos in the background while playing older games like wasteland 2, cs:go or pathfinder. This PC will probably serve me for at least another 4 years unless some hardware fails.

That's about the cost of only the stadia subscription for the equivalent period. Then you have to buy their hardware, which was advertised for 130$ iirc.

And then you have calculate the increase of the internet bill, since you probably need a better service.

If you are a student, and you can't afford your own place, chances are you have a few flatmates. In that case, you can say goodbye to the 'top' experience.

I think if you add these hidden costs together, you can probably buy a reasonably good pc and some games. Not to mention the premium of having customization options like mods. Those are a huge reason most people like Bethesda games for.

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I don't think these 'Stadia news' are overdone at all, even though i do not like the idea at all.

'Regular games' already make a criminal out of anyone trying to use a product, but always online and 'streaming' are just new ways of enforcement on the nonsensical legal agreements companies are forcing on users, especially with all the always on DRM the PSP and the likes are there to provide in conjuction with the new 'drivers' in the linux kernel that let it happen and undermine the spirit of free software.

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1. Skyrim
2. Cyberpunk2077
3. Hitman 2

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Quoting: GuestNothing surprising really. Valve's initial efforts on GNU/Linux were always a result of Microsoft's attempts to wall up everything. GNU/Linux wasn't ready for gaming at the time, but for a variety of reasons the potential started to appear and Valve kind of nudged (with a freight train) it along.

What's more surprising to me is Valve continuing. They won't be getting anywhere near a direct return on investments, at least I wouldn't think so, and it seems relatively little of their efforts are tied into Steam itself. Helping drivers, graphics, VR, etc, benefits more than Valve - it does help non-Steam users too. So maybe it's more about continued pressure on Microsoft than anything else.

Just me thinking out loud.

I think continuing the effort also gives them an advantage, on one hand, if the user count grew, they would become the "google play store" of video games on linux, but they probably also benefit with gaining influence and connections with the various projects they throw their money and employers behind.

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Quoting: haikuThis port is useless, it arrived way to late and the game is running fine via Proton :|

Guess all the people who call out linux gamers asking for linux support on the steam forums to stop using the inferior linux os and start using the - in every way - superior windows os were right after all, since it seems like even the "linux gamers" on GoL are commenting under every article mentioning a linux port how it's useless and they want to play the windows version with an unsupported compatibility layer. Pretty amazing.

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Quoting: TheRiddickYes the windows automatic update system is dogs balls, and how they have settings now in these new style windows which can be difficult to navigate or get to the guts of what you want.

But lets just clear the water here, from a gamer perspective and desktop power user....

Try getting VRR working on a dual monitor setup, can't.
Try getting VRR working without odd blinking or other issues, can't.
Try getting a game from MS Game Store, can't. Not supported.
Try getting a game from GOG for Linux and install it without command line, can't.
Try getting a game from EGS for Linux, you can't. Not supported.
Try getting Steam to scale correctly on high resolution screens, can't.
Try getting many of DE to scale UI on all apps seamlessly, you can't. (I hear deepin might tho).

Sigh.
There is loads of things, I could go on forever you know..... But bottom line is, these issues shouldn't just be shelved and ignored, they need to have serious thought into howto resolve them! (apart from the storefronts not working under Linux, that is just an annoyance)

I have tried Cinnamon, Mate, Gnome, XFCE, Plasma, they all have issues of varying degree, I find Plasma5 oddly enough to be less problematic, or at least most things can be resolved.

Just keep in mind, if you think MSGS/EGS/GOG-Galaxy not working for Linux is a non-issue, then you ARE NOT A GAMER. You see under windows loads of people remain using it because it gives them access to the games they love and play, NO is not a option.

Thus until Linux developers can grasp these issues and work on resolving them, Linux usage will not grow significantly (if only we could get to %3 or %7, that would make a HUGE difference).

"Linux" only grows as a result of a community effort, be it development or market share. Capital owners have no interest in promoting anything of the sort, they just co-opt it to make more revenue.

I also guess I'm not a gamer then, even with the more seamless proton experience i just get way less excited even about series that are among my favorites. I doubt i will try the next TES game if it's not supported.

Plasma used to have ugly graphical glitches on Debian, but since the latter releases of 4 they went away and it is generally a bug-free experience. Firefox bugs out on me a lot more than the rest of the system (proprietary games included).

Just a thought: maybe developing for so-called "gamers" is not the only or even the first concern for developers who work on the "desktop" or even the "not-desktop" components of your "linux" OS.

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That's just false.

Also, what is a power user exactly?

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Hitman 2
Any CDPR game
Any TES/Fallout game
Any Blizzard game

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Quoting: morbiusAlways liked GOG, but sadly, even their new beta client doesn't have a Linux version. It's not likely the platform will ever come to Linux.

Yeah, I like GOG, but it feels like a one-way relationship. :| These days, I wish itch.io got more attention from publishers.

Anyone here played Pathfinder and really liked it? It's only $16 right now. How does it compare to Pillars of the Earth as far as pacing and difficulty go? I like Pillars, but it feels like a large commitment to sit down and play it, so it's taking me forever to get through it. Instead, I've been playing other games that have no end like WoW and Oxygen Not Included. (Maybe I just need to swallow my pride and set the difficulty down to Easy and play through the story.)

I really liked pathfinder. I'm not very good at CRPGS, i usually fail in my first 2 playthroughs even on normal/easy. I went into Pathfinder without knowing anything about the tabletop system, and got stuck quite a lot of places even on story mode. I definitely feel like Pathfinder is a lot less forgiving than Pillars of Eternity or Wasteland 2 for example.

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Now they only lack the black hole to suck dust2 and nuke in.

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