Quoting: TheRiddickMy main concern comes down to VALUE and longevity of the project.

If Stadia came out tomorrow and explained what they can do for you if a game gets removed off their platform (which you bought) and also allow people to download the game to your home PC as either backup or offline play then that be great(like how steam works).

I don't see the issue except for they see these games you paid full price for (ignoring sales) as THEIRS and not YOURS, that's a HUGE red flag IMO.

BTW I understand this is how Steam and EGS DRM works, but at least with Steam they have offline play which they can extend at time of death of a game (or you can do it yourself indefinitely) so given that, yes you do OWN the games bought on steam! IN FACT Exodus is DRM free on GOG and apparently also on Steam.

WITH these DRM offline play compatible games (online parts need an account somewhere obviously) you can install on ANY CLOUD BASED GAMING SYSTEM and play for the BASE FEE of using that cloud service.. no mumbo jumbo buying the game 2 or 3 times!


PS. I try to make my comments to the point, with the least amount of double speech as possible, and not dance around huge gaps in the argument like some other people are doing!

Have you actually tried to do this, though? I've been a DRM-Free linux gamer from 1999 to about 2019. I joined Steam around November '19. Prior to that, my kids got on it when they became teens. I have a LAN setup in my basement and we tried Steam offline a few times for games like Killing Floor, L4D 2 and some others over the years (have not done it again since 2017, though). A good amount of the games my kids liked to play just did not work all the time offline or Steam would not open. In the end we had to stick to boxed games, Desura games, GOG games, freeware and open source stuff because the Steam offline method would flake out. When it did work there would be other issues the games sometimes could not see each other or not open at all. I did the 2 month check in for those machines but after while it would flunk. Another good example would be a game like Tekken 7 where your save would gets corrupted and reset you back to day 1 and you would have unlock everything again UNLESS you saved your game save separately and do some edits which defeats the purpose/convience of Steam clouding saving. Reconnecting it online would edit your cloud save weather you liked it or not. Now this list - https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games - here actually works for all of the games in which I purchased or got for free using either the extraction method or editing files for some and they work outside of Steam. Which is how when I joined Steam I went about making my choices to collect and play for the most part. Still hands down GOG, Humble Bundle and itch.io are just the best choices for those looking for DRM-FREE gaming.

I've seen a few linux supporting companies come and go and outside of those final months where they uploaded stuff on their blogs and/or via of email there was no talk of helping users move on to another platform or getting access to their game binaries prior or in advance.

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Quoting: sigzNote that Shadow Tactics' linux build is currently broken, some effects doesn't display corretly (enemies detection range effects, which are major on gameplay..)

Which version? I have the GOG version on Ubuntu Mate 18.04 and my wife and I have ended it a few times and never see any issue with it.

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^ Real talk - The minute people start with the name calling non-sense they lose all ability to be taken seriously and just sounds like the others that make fun of Linux users for using Linux.

For me, I want to play MK11 with my friends and family online and Stadia is the only way for us to do so at this time. Zombie Army 4 is also a game we play together but we call recently picks up the ZAT from GreenManGaming and it's working 100% via of Steamplay so far so there will be less of us staying with Pro. Unless Battle of the Grid is worth keeping. We'll see in a few.

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Quoting: legluondunetI'm totally noob about Stadia subject, could someone tell me if Google provide a Linux native client?
Thanks.

Google Chrome Web Browser and/or Chromium is all you need. Treat Stadia like you would treat any other browser based game.

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Quoting: t3gTo be honest, I could do without these Stadia posts. Stadia is a closed platform that takes away all your rights since you are basically paying monthly and full price per game to interact with a video on another server. Once that service is gone or Google gets bored of it, you lose access to $60 games.

I of course game on Steam and try to buy on GOG when I can. I like the DRM free nature and can archive my games if I want. It’s one of the last outlets where I still feel like I’m getting something that will last.

Stadia being “Linux” is just like saying macOS is “BSD” due these companies taking free software and locking it down into their own walled gardens.

Many of the games on Steam and GOG are closed source also...I hear you, though. Also games are not $60. They have some games going as low as $5 to $10. I picked up MK11 for $30 and they accepted free gift cards from Gpay so that's a win since you can earn that elsewhere in the same way that ppl sell items on Steam to buy games.

A Linux gamer can play games on Stadia on their Linux desktop that alone is reason enough to cover, IMO.

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Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid is a game I would like to get into. Hopefully Zombie Army 4 goes on sale or something.

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Quoting: NarcotixI am reading this so often lately. But did you already look up how many games on Steam you DO own?
There's quite a huge list of DRM-free games on Steam. https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
Also quite some big titles on this list.
The worrying part about the perception getting spreaded about Steam game ownership is, that people might think that they don't lose anything with cloud gaming, since they already don't own any games anymore (which isn't true as you can see - especially with GoG ofc). But there actually is a loss of ownership when comparing cloud gaming to Steam.
If you might be fine with not owning games is another topic and not the one I intend to discuss in this post.

You make a great point and as a long time DRM-FREE gamer that recently got into Steam and now Stadia, I have to say that keeping my library of games working throughout the years has been a chore that I would like to avoid going forward. As a working father/grandfather with kids spread out across the US, Steam and now Stadia have made it very easy for me to connect and play with my loved ones that are not in my own home.

We still rock a good amount of DRM-FREE titles from GOG, direct from devs, freeware, itch.io, Desura (defunct), Humble Bundle and more but as time has moved forward and devs have abandoned those games and modding communities around those games shrinking or becoming vapor I've had to change my gaming diet to better stay connected with those that I love. Out of the 32 games I own on Steam 3 are not DRM-FREE. None of them work for online MP without Steam unless I use Parsec (which requires a Windows Host).

I don't see many from this generation going all in Cloud gaming and I'm still going to be getting my first first from GOG then Steam and then Stadia or bust...but I can see ppl walking away from all the other ways of gaming over time if the ease of use is not better advocated for. Shoutout to Puppy Games who does DRM-FREE the right way. Everything you need is self-contained and ready to roll.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80Ahh with constant updates for sure but since my library is pretty made up exclusively of single player games I have finished them all except the ones i have no intension of playing like around 120 of my steam games were either free or thought they sounded good at the time. I wish there was a gift option for redeemed keys whether they went to new owners for free or if they sold heavily discounted by valve.

GreenManGaming had a system at one point where you could sell games back. I liked that one a lot.

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Quoting: GuestIf Google decided to cancel Stadia things could get interesting, although we should not forget that it's the developers, not Stadia, who are ultimately responsible for their games, so it's not unreasonable to assume most will issue keys to other platforms, such as Steam if the event ever arises.

This is what happened when Desura went down. I did not get into Steam to really late but all of they keys I got from Desura worked when I passed them to friends. I kept playing the DRM-FREE binaries til the games were ended or if they have endless local kept them on my machines to play with my family.

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Picked up Blazing Chrome. Had enough time to install it and see that it works. Can't wait to play it Saturday morning with my wife as we finish up our last bout of VS in SoR4.

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