Quoting: mphuZ

Quoting: Alm888There is no way in hell GOG returns to Russia. They'd better forget it.

At the same time, CDPR recently resumed sales of Cyberpunk 2077 in Russia and Belarus. Oh, this capitalism.. If you want to eat, you will be bow-legged even worse.

I believe you are wrong on this one. Don't believe everything that is being written on the Internet. It is better to check.
"Cyborgs & Punks 20/77" is still unlisted in RU region of Steam:
And obviously (as anything else) is unavailable for purchase on GOG:

So rest assured, CDProjekt stays firm with their believes!

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"…to suspending operations in Russia and Belarus."
Abolishing, you mean. There is no way in hell GOG returns to Russia. They'd better forget it.

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Quoting: areamanplaysgameI think you are talking about two different groups of people, honestly. "Ordinary people" do not buy consumer electronics and then try to replace the operating system on them.

Well… Maybe you are right.
But! We are not talking about ordinary "ordinary people" here. Steam Deck will not be sold at brick&mortar stores. It must be pre-ordered through a dedicated gaming store. People on Steam (provided they know how to make a pre-order) are more than likely to tinker: install mods, stream on TVitch/YouTube, make benchmarks. You know, typical (glorious) PC gamer (master race) stuff. It would not be fair to treat them as "console players" who are more accustomed to "power-on & play" behavior. So, when they find out Valorant (for example) does not launch… What will they do?

Quoting: areamanplaysgameMost people I bet will not bother installing Windows on it. Only tech nerds will care. Your typical console player certainly won't.

What should they do, then? Cancel their purchase, demand refunds and send their new handheld PC back to Valve?
I think at least some people will make attempts to "negotiate" their new devices before giving up. And I think they at least deserve to know what perils await them should they try to circumvent the problem by using Windows.

Quoting: areamanplaysgameBut as Liam pointed out, drivers aren't ready yet. This is custom stuff made by Valve/AMD from what I understand of it. So while it's a x86_64 setup, it has custom GPU, not to mention all the custom control inputs.

Well, yeah. I figured as much. But will those drivers be ready by the time first owners get their devices? Will said owners be able to easily find those drivers? Will those drivers be included in the box on a mini CD (like the good old times) or flash drive? :P

Plus, I'm honestly curious about performance loss of the SteamOS against Windows (provided I do not even have a Steam account and have forgotten already the last time I've used WINE for gaming).

Well, it is Liam's choice not to test Windows games in their native ecosystem; I believe some reviewers will do such tests eventually.

Quoting: LoftyValve & the community need to put emphasis on how tailored Steam OS 3.0 is for the Steam Deck so people don't think it is just a binary choice of one OS over the other.

Yes. But Valve also needs not to alienate potential (still Windows-using) customers preemptively. And people really do not like to be put in stressful situations. In this case, knowledge that in case something goes wrong there is a "Plan B" (installing Windows) as a fallback will assure gamers of the purchase safety.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: Alm888No SteamOS vs. Windows benchmarks. What a pity. :(

I kinda want to know how this "SteamOS" fares against an established gaming OS with games made first and foremost for said OS.

Windows isn't ready. Last I was told by Valve the drivers are not out yet. That's if I even wanted to touch Windows with it.

Well, you, as a Linux user, would probably not want to touch Windows. But, as you've stated, this Steam Deck is not aimed at Linux users. It is made for ordinary people. And after all those people find out only 700+ of games from the entire Steam library are actually playable (and most, I assume, would not dare purchase a game blindly without that precious "Verified" badge), I believe, "How to Fix Deck and Install Windows 11" will be the most popular question.

What these people are to expect? How difficult is Windows installation process? Does Deck have the required TPM chip?

After all, Valve has promised one will be able to install Windows and play all the games (because, again, according to Valve Steam Deck is just an ordinary PC).

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No SteamOS vs. Windows benchmarks. What a pity. :(

I kinda want to know how this "SteamOS" fares against an established gaming OS with games made first and foremost for said OS.

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Quoting: Frawo

Quoting: Alm888So, yes, GOG is correct, one will be able to play GOG's amazing library on Steam Deck. Even if the solution is not for said one's taste.

Of course you will be able to play your GOG Games on Steam Deck (who had a doubt about that anyway)... if you don't mind fiddling around in Desktop Mode on a tiny screen, with no regular mouse, no dynamic cloud sync, limited controller support (unless you add your games to Steam). No thanks, that's not the OOTB experience I'm looking for.

Just as planned.

1. A user goes through a process of installing Windows on Deck (driver issues?).
2. The user goes through a process of running GOG games on Deck (DOSBox + Deck's gamepads?).
3. The user records this convoluted mess and releases a YouTube video, stating Steam Deck is unusable.
4. ???????
5. PROFIT!!

Quoting: FrawoIf GOG wants to profit from the Steam Deck, I would expect them to offer at least some basic integration tools. Installing GOG in its current state on the Steam Deck is like buying a Ferrari and installing a two-stroke engine in it.

GOG does not want to profit from Steam Deck. It wants to topple it. At the very least, a Steam Deck is another platform, adding a headache to GOG's "tech support" (imagine what troubles will arise when the support will be flooded with numerous "Deck+Windows" GOG users' support requests due to issues with controllers for DOSBox-wrapped games). And at the worst case scenario, Steam Deck will divert users from GOG towards Steam. So, the quicker Steam Deck flops the better (for GOG).

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Quoting: elmapulits not about the ammount(sic) of games, but the time you spend playing then, its worth?
there are tons of free games for android that, while they are free, they dont(sic) worth our time. time is the most important thing in life, money? you can won on lotery(sic) and get rich and never need to worry about it again, but time? you cant recover that, and you only realize when its too late.
yes, i'm talking about myself.

Are you serious right now?

So, having a loot run in "Project Zomboid" or building an empire in "X4: Foundations" is somehow worthless, while shooting General Barkovs and G-12s at the "Death Road" or smashing Lenin statues while reading some weepy notes of "GULAG victims" in "Tomb Raider" is a worthwhile activity? Are you implying there are "True Gamers" playing only the best games, while my ex-boss (for example) playing some chess on his "Windows 98" PC at lunch breaks every day just wastes his time on garbage?

Please, come to your senses! We are discussing games, effectively a time wasters, no matter what appearance they have. There are no "must play" "cult classic" games, only those that are fun (to you) and those that are not. And "AAA" does not make a game fun. Expensive? Sure. Resource-demanding? Most probably (those GPUs won't sell themselves, after all). But fun? Nope.

I say it again: good riddance! Good bye to "lootboxes", "game passes", "microtransactions", "always-online DRM" and other exciting attributes of modern "AAA games".

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: KimyrielleI know, some people are still clinging to the "No Tux, No Bux" mantra, but in reality, we're unlikely to see another major AAA game on Linux native anytime soon.

And I'd say "Good riddance!".
NTNB FTW all the way!

i hope you at least play the games even if you have to pirate then, otherwise the only one losing will be yourself, and you will regreat(sic) it later looking back.

Rest assured, I have more than I will ever be able to finish. All Linux native. Most on GOG, some on itch.io or Humble. Had not to "pirate" a game in a long time (sinse 2012 at least). Oh, and I have exactly 0 (zero) "Feral games" on my Steal library because… I have no Steam library.

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Quoting: KimyrielleI know, some people are still clinging to the "No Tux, No Bux" mantra, but in reality, we're unlikely to see another major AAA game on Linux native anytime soon.

And I'd say "Good riddance!".
NTNB FTW all the way!

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Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: TheRiddickCDPR GOG still upset with Linux user base I see. They NEVER did recover from those Witcher2 threats certain extremists made...

Were those threats ever verified with real evidence that everyone got to see (other than maybe a tweet) ?

AFAIK, all of these "revelations" come from "Jaycee1980", a fired (now "ex-")employee from Virtual Programming, who was very vocal on all news outlets (here, steamcommunity, reddit, twitter etc.). Sounded plausible, so people just went along with that.

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