Quoting: liamdaweThat is how I feel Scaine and it won't change, again it's my opinion and as an editor I will always state it and clearly mark it as an editorial when I do so.

That's a big problem. Having an opinion. Good. Stating opinion in editorial? Good.

Disregarding arguments that could change your opinion? Ignoring arguments completely? Having your mind so made up that "it won't change". Ever?

That's definitely not good.

Tim Minchin puts it really well : http://www.timminchin.com/2013/09/25/occasional-address/

QuoteA famous bon mot asserts that opinions are like arse-holes, in that everyone has one. There is great wisdom in this… but I would add that opinions differ significantly from arse-holes, in that yours should be constantly and thoroughly examined.

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Quoting: SamsaiWhy do I care about a thing that makes the game to now work properly? Because I own it and I expect a non-beta release to work. People have pointed out that eON is most likely the cause for these problems and that means that they need to improve eON to run this game better.

Well sure. But do you know it's eON? The only people that can tell us for definite is CDPR and then we're back to my argument. I don't care if it's eON. I'd just want them to fix it.

Liam, in his last answer, suggests that previous eON ports for Mac have been bad too. Again, that has a lot of supposition, but if even he's right what can you do about it?

Obviously you can stop ever buying games that have eON in them, but there's two problems with that attitude.

1. How do you know?
2. Some eON ports work fine, so you could be avoiding a perfectly good game.

So I'd rather focus on the game itself rather than banging on uselessly and ineffectually about a component that works well in other situations.

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Quoting: scaineBut what rankles the most is that you're not listening. I've told you why eON is irrelevant and you just don't care.

I'm curious, do you know of any other game ported to Linux with eON? Or is it the first one? From what I understand there might have been a few games released for Mac using it, right?

No, I don't know. Because I don't care. The result is what matters. Does it work well? Great. Don't care how it was done.

To be clear, I'm talking about ports of older games. I'd prefer future games to be made "properly", but you have to be realistic about this.

Well, I agree it does not matter provided it works well. That's not exactly the case in this instance. What if eON is the issue? Then it matters.

Well, this is digressing into the first argument all over again and I don't feel like talking about pizzas, geeks and the fashion industry all over again. I've stated my case. eON is irrelevant. The game "The Witcher 2" is what we should be talking about.

Okay, let's assume that eON is irrelevant. What is it that makes The Witcher 2 Linux "port" crawl on apparently most hardware combinations?

I don't care. As a customer, I simply want CD Projekt RED to fix it. I'm curious. Why do you care?

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Quoting: scaineAnd one more thing - this editorial is based on us "accepting" the port. When did we do that? I had this game in my library from some bundle I bought years ago - and I suspect most did too.

What constitutes our "acceptance". Buying the game? Too late. Playing it? Well, it's working great on my system. Are you suggesting I don't play it because a minority are having problems?

And is it a minority? How many people are actually affected by this terrible port that works really well for me?

I get it. You're angry because it doesn't work for you. Doubly so, if you bought the game. But using your editorial power to trash a company's efforts to enter the Linux market? Based on supposition?

No. I'm not supporting that.

I purchased the game believing it was a properly tested native port, I did not have it "from some bundle I bought years ago", since I am a Linux gamer not a Windows gamer. This is the situation for many people.

If it works for you that's good news, but to put me and others down because we are unhappy our money went on a game we can't play? That's actually quite low of you.

How many people are having issues? Have you not seen their steam forum absolutely full of complaints? Have you not seen the GOL comments full of complaints?

I will ALWAYS use my editorials to voice my opinion, that is EXACTLY what they are for and clearly marked as an editorial.

If you don't like my opinion, don't read it.

I didn't say to stop stating your opinion. I was simply being clear that I didn't like you calling me niave and using your editorial to do so.

I was expressing my disappointment with your lack of ability to listen to arguments and what I saw as a childish attitude, attacking a company that's trying their best to test the Linux waters.

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Quoting: scaineBut what rankles the most is that you're not listening. I've told you why eON is irrelevant and you just don't care.

I'm curious, do you know of any other game ported to Linux with eON? Or is it the first one? From what I understand there might have been a few games released for Mac using it, right?

No, I don't know. Because I don't care. The result is what matters. Does it work well? Great. Don't care how it was done.

To be clear, I'm talking about ports of older games. I'd prefer future games to be made "properly", but you have to be realistic about this.

Well, I agree it does not matter provided it works well. That's not exactly the case in this instance. What if eON is the issue? Then it matters.

Well, this is digressing into the first argument all over again and I don't feel like talking about pizzas, geeks and the fashion industry all over again. I've stated my case. eON is irrelevant. The game "The Witcher 2" is what we should be talking about.

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Quoting: scaineBut what rankles the most is that you're not listening. I've told you why eON is irrelevant and you just don't care.

I'm curious, do you know of any other game ported to Linux with eON? Or is it the first one? From what I understand there might have been a few games released for Mac using it, right?

No, I don't know. Because I don't care. The result is what matters. Does it work well? Great. Don't care how it was done.

To be clear, I'm talking about ports of older games. I'd prefer future games to be made "properly", but you have to be realistic about this.

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And one more thing - this editorial is based on us "accepting" the port. When did we do that? I had this game in my library from some bundle I bought years ago - and I suspect most did too.

What constitutes our "acceptance". Buying the game? Too late. Playing it? Well, it's working great on my system. Are you suggesting I don't play it because a minority are having problems?

And is it a minority? How many people are actually affected by this terrible port that works really well for me?

I get it. You're angry because it doesn't work for you. Doubly so, if you bought the game. But using your editorial power to trash a company's efforts to enter the Linux market? Based on supposition?

No. I'm not supporting that.

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Quoting: ImantsI don't think we can ask developers to make quality ports to such a old games, but I agree that all new games should be made with Linux (at least all those which want to target Steam OS) in mind so that developers should not use such a shady ways to port games.

Yeah, this is pretty much it in a nutshell.

And a wee note to Liam directly. I support this site. Both with money and you'll also remember that despite that support, I also asked you NOT to remove your ads. I also contribute to the Funding Crowd article with Speedster and Munts - they're usually good for about 1000 page views each and we spend hours putting them together.

So to hear you still banging on about eON like it's actually relevant and quoting me in an editorial to yet again dismiss my arguments... well, what can I think? You certainly have no respect for my opinion - you've made that clear here. But I'm a big boy - call me naive in your editorial then, life will go on, the world will keep spinning.

But what rankles the most is that you're not listening. I've told you why eON is irrelevant and you just don't care.

Disappointing.

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Nice! Looks like Pulsar:Lost Colony has some competition on their hands!

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Quoting: GuestSo yes, the blame for the technical issues is from the wrapper, in my opinion.

And again with the wrapper! Are you in cahoots with Liam? :)

Standards are being applied to this that no other industry has to deal with. In my pizza example, you'd demand to know HOW the pizza was made. In the car industry, you'd ask the salesman how the welds were joined. In the fashion industry, you'd demand to know the stitching method.

It's not the HOW that is important. It's the end result. There are exceptions to this, such as DRM, of course. But using eON is not an example of this.

Good points about my faulty extrapolation on Steam sales though. There will be many Windows users buying this of course. I hadn't taken into account the fact that they'd put it on Sale at the same time as the Linux launch. And true, not everyone will complain but the countpoint was that almost no-one will champion it.

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