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Quoting: BrisseHaven't really gotten into any of these card games (except The Witcher 3 minigame :D ). I was mildly interested in this as a potential entry point, but then I learned...

QuoteAdditional packs of cards will be $1.99, each pack has 12 random cards. You will also be able to buy and sell cards on the Steam Market.

...that it has gambling mechanics. No thanks.

In fairness, this is exactly how physical trading card games work. You buy packs of cards and get random cards inside.

I know, but that doesn't make it not gambling.

It isn't gambling because you always get something for your money though, this is how loot box type micro transactions skirt around gambling.

Legally speaking, sure, but spending money to get something that may or may not be entirely devoid of value to you, or whose value is essentially random within limits, in addition to being arbitrary and subject to changes made to the game, is hardly better than risking your money in a game of chance. At least in most games of chance, you can walk away with your money and your earnings aren't designed to keep making profit for "the house," unlike Valve taking a cut of every subsequent trade in this case and controlling your Steam wallet. Unlike WotC with MTG, Valve owns the entire ecosystem this game exists in. You may or may not get your money's worth in entertainment, but you will definitely not make any real money out of it. So I would agree that it is not gambling in that sense, but arguably it is worse than gambling.

This applies to every single purchase you make on your steam account though, you can't make any real money because you can't transfer anything on your account short of selling the whole account.

It is gambling even though it's using a loophole in most legislations. Countries like Belgium has actually started classifying it as gambling and I hope the rest of the world follow in their footsteps because things are getting out of control.

"you can't make any real money"
That is wrong. People trade digital assets, both on Steam directly and through third party's. Rare CSGO skins have been traded for tens of thousands of dollars.

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QuoteAbsolutely love seeing Windows, Mac and Linux displayed so clearly together in a trailer like that.

I always get a little triggered when game devs, publishers and games media use the term "PC" as if it was synonymous with Windows. If a game is Windows only, then it should say Windows, not PC, because the latter includes Windows, macOS, Linux and more.

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Quoting: BrisseHaven't really gotten into any of these card games (except The Witcher 3 minigame :D ). I was mildly interested in this as a potential entry point, but then I learned...

QuoteAdditional packs of cards will be $1.99, each pack has 12 random cards. You will also be able to buy and sell cards on the Steam Market.

...that it has gambling mechanics. No thanks.

In fairness, this is exactly how physical trading card games work. You buy packs of cards and get random cards inside.

I know, but that doesn't make it not gambling.

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Haven't really gotten into any of these card games (except The Witcher 3 minigame :D ). I was mildly interested in this as a potential entry point, but then I learned...

QuoteAdditional packs of cards will be $1.99, each pack has 12 random cards. You will also be able to buy and sell cards on the Steam Market.

...that it has gambling mechanics. No thanks.

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Quoting: tuubiI don't get all these doomsday attitudes. We probably won't see any more games from these developers on our platform (which certainly makes me sad as a fan), but that's all this means.

With Larian not Porting Divinity 2, that's basically a whole genre (classic CRPGs) gone, no?

With Proton there is just a few games / developers behind walled gardens. The boundaries become more and more not technical.

Well yes and no not having native ports is a big problem because its valve they get white knighted and true they have helped linux because it helps them have an alternative to windows if MS decide to make it difficult to work on windows. Proton is funded by valve and valve does have a patience meter just look at steam machines gone no marketing no mention of them on steam store anymore steam link failed barely mentioned and sold for under a pound last two steam sales. Valve have money and resources but they seem to have a very limited amount of patience.

By closing down Windows MS threatens Valves busyness foundations. So there is two possible ways for Valve to act:
1. Become part of the MS store.
2. Find another open OS base.

I think what Valve does, and did for the past few years, is a very long term enterprise. They never shifted from it, as we can see when we look at Proton. They need Linux, and I think they understood Linux needs more users to be attractive to developers. With the visibility of their strategie they naturally reinforced MS on their strategy. So I guess it's no wonder we see a lot of movement these days:

- Proton makes games playable we never dreamed of.
- Proton makes developers ditch native versions.
- Linux userbase might (hopefully) rise because people that wanted to change to Linux get to play more of their Steam libs on Linux.
- MS might try to deny more games on Linux.
- MS suddenly loves Linux (where it's useful to them).

What we won't see, I think, is Valve stopping what they do.

So from my perspective: F*ck inXile and Obsidian and move on.

Mmm we def see valve differently I see it as a company that abandons products and projects with out any notice after previously being keen and holding press conference after press conference. Valve have helped the visablity of linux gaming for sure but I will never white knight a corporation yes they are helping linux because they expect that investment to pay off. Of course that is to be expected valve is a corporation and needs to make profits yearly I get it but I treat annoucements of support as promises people make in the pub ie it might happen it might not.

Valve is not a corporation! I'm not white knighting them. I say they can't go without an open platform to exist on.

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I believe Nevertheless' point is that it's not a publicly traded corporation, the stock is held by Gabe and some Valve employees. Therefore it does not need to worry about the share price or about what traders think of their quarterly results. They do not need to make profits yearly. If they decide some massive investment is worth taking a loss for a couple years to gain future growth, they can do that. Heck, if Gabe and a few others were to decide they don't feel the need to make a profit ever again and want to just wind the thing down slowly and retire, they could do that too. It's not very likely, but they have no outside responsibilities that would actually stop them.

It's not like GabeN is going to go broke any time soon. In October 2017, Forbes listed him among the 100 richest people in the United States.

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QuoteI think we should be okay for future titles. Microsoft loves Linux after all…right?

MS loves Linux wherever it makes them money, which is in the cloud. Video games on the other hand, not so much. With video games they want walled garden. The reason they are buying up all these game studios (13 now I think) is because Sony has been having some great exclusives which has helped them gain a majority of the console market. This is MS trying to catch up with that and this means they will play by Sony's rules, which means exclusives, which means Windows Store + Xbox only. I do hope I'm wrong, but it's looking very grim.

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Quoting: GuestAlso, on that other shit. Tweeting about gamergate is unrelated to games? even if it's called gamergate?

You obviously don't know what happened, so let me explain. Gamergate was an online movement harassing minorities, specifically a few women in the gaming and journalism industry that were personally targeted. This movement more or less went viral and a woman quite literally were receiving death threats from gamergaters over an article she wrote. A lot of games journalists obviously condoned the gamergate movement, and in the midst of the whole thing, GOG had the stomach to put out a tweet with an animated GIF from Postal 2 with the dude pissing on a tomb stone that said "Games Journalism, Committed Suicide, August 28, 2014". This was a very obvious reference to gamergate and even if it might have been a joke, it was really distasteful because it looked like GOG was taking the gamergaters side. It was also really disrespectful towards journalists, some of whom quite literally were putting their neck on the line to report what was really going on.

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Quoting: GuestAnd yes I know what autistic means... Obviously. You, caring about these kinds of things, is highly indicates the possibility that you are autistic.

This is not something that furthers the discussion and is just a plain insult. I know this place isn't moderated much and I kind of like it because if anyone wants to make a fool of themselves then the evidence usually stays up for anyone to see in the future so you can see who someone really is, but I hope you realize that this sort of thing would hand you a temporary ban at a lot of mainstream tech websites.

Quoting: fabertaweOf course it is, I never said otherwise. My "free speech" dig was aimed very widely at social media in general. My second paragraph was where I mentioned GOG and this specific incident.

GOG did nothing "inappropriate", just misguided.

It might have been misguided the first time (the gamergate tweet IIRC) and they should have learned from it, but then it happened again and again and by then they should have learned their lesson. After the third time they apologized and said "We will stick to games" but that's what they should have done after the first time. Only the future will tell if they stick to their word though.

I'm not sure it was your intention but I felt like the free speech dig was some excuse to silence the opposition because ironically people, especially the alt-right for some reason, like to use "free speech" as an argument to just silence the opposition. It's like "Hey, I'll have my free speech and I'll take away your freedom to have my free speech because free speech only belongs to me". I see that a lot, but maybe it was not your intention.

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Quoting: PatolaIt even raises awareness that such motto exists.

That's baffling. What's next? Will Proton be the #FinalSolution for playing games on Linux? Look, I raised awareness to the Holocaust!

No you didn't (or rather wouldn't if tweeted). You'd make fun of 6 million murdered people by using an euphemism used solely by the Nazi for their genocide. That's not raising awareness. That's just plain stupid. Or vile. I get triggered on that since I hear such "funny quotes" much more frequently in recent times, both from "normal people" and politicians.

So you're completely ignoring the context...

Not sure if ignoring the context, or trying to explain to those who did. This thread continues to be confusing :)

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