KHAAAAN! :D Awesome cast! I'm suddenly very, very interested in playing this!

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Quoting: ArehandoroThe design has won me. I'll put it on my radar!

Sonar, surely? :P

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Quoting: Caldazar[...] Problems arise if there's a conflict of interest about which they are not that open. Let's say between you as a citizen investor in Steam and some big money companies. Some small-printed rule that says that Steam isn't actually obliged to give you a game or even produce one in return for your money but might rather pay dividends to bank xy instead if those guys decide to liquidate the whole operation. [...]

Well, that's how crowd funding generally works, nothing new there. Kickstarter even writes the following in the F.A.Q., "Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. On Kickstarter, backers (you!) ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it."
I'd say that Double Fine is more likely to deliver here than on Kickstarter, since the success and public image of Fig is much more closely tied to them.

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Quoting: BOYSSSSSI avoid buying from Bundle Stars, because it counts as a Windows purchase.

Got proof? The games are clearly marked as linux compatible, meaning they are at least intending to market to us.

They are indeed Linux compatible, but the keys themselves are registered as Windows sales. More info in a previous article.

No you are wrong again. [...]

Okay, I was wrong, sorry. I don't see how I was wrong again though?

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Quoting: neffoThe video calls DoubleFine frauds. I think you are blaming the wrong person for the hyperbole!

The video claims that there is a questionable relationship between Double Fine and Fig who themselves allegedly operate in a grey area. If those claims hold any water, then yes, it's within my definition of fraud. [...]

But that information is right there on the front page of Fig! It was literally the first thing I saw when I checked the funding campaign: "Oh Fig, that's new; what's that? Ah, it's from some of the Double Fine guys and they're cooperating, cool."
That isn't fraud, they just found a way to ask for money that better fits what they need and what they think their audience is interested in. It's a bit like saying that Steam sounds like fraud because Valve is selling their own games on it.
If you think it sounds risky, you're have every right to not give them money, but they aren't doing anything shady or secret.

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Quoting: BOYSSSSSI avoid buying from Bundle Stars, because it counts as a Windows purchase.

Got proof? The games are clearly marked as linux compatible, meaning they are at least intending to market to us.

They are indeed Linux compatible, but the keys themselves are registered as Windows sales. More info in a previous article.

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I don't see anything in the video that shouldn't have been immediately obvious from the campaign itself and common logic. It's crowd funding; you're donating to the development of a product that may or may not live up to your expectations and may not even ever be finished. Nothing new here.
Regarding Double Fine's previous two funding rounds, Broken Age eventually came out and despite not being the greatest game ever, if one could wait a bit before playing the first part, it was quite an enjoyable experience overall. The documentary that was part of the deal was also consistently excellent and definitely worth the cost of backing in itself.
Space Base was a mess, but I still got about the same amounts of actual fun out of it as I have with most other games, so I don't personally consider it a complete failure. It's also still being developed further by community members / Derelict Games and a patch was released October 2015. JP LeBreton, who was in charge of the game, is also no longer with Double Fine, so that's something to consider.

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Sorry to keep derailing the thread, but...

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Quoting: Cybolic

Quoting: adolson[...( me correcting the usage of "PC" )...]
Really? You want to be that guy?

Yes. When we're dealing with publishers promising games coming to "PC" or "PC platforms" and they sometimes mean Windows-only, sometimes mean Windows+Mac and sometimes mean Windows+SteamOS/Linux then we need to help move away from using this ambiguous term, that really only means IBM-compatible/PC hardware. Maybe we can't fix the language publishers use right now, but we should at least strive to not help propagate the misnomer.

This is what you sound like:

"Hey, can you pass me a Kleenex?"
"I would but this is not Kleenex, this is facial tissue."
"Go fuck yourself."

You're fighting decades of habit that, at the end of the day, means very little and waging this war will get us virtually nowhere. We ought to pick our battles more wisely than arguing pathetically over terminology. Makes us look no better than a pack of whiny grammar nazis.

Except, your comparison is invalid; a facial tissue doesn't stop working on people's noses if it's the wrong brand.
The problem with the terminology, apart from the fact that the current popular usage is plain wrong, is that it's not generally agreed upon. Like I said, some publishers literally mean Linux+Win+Mac when they say "coming for PC" whilst others mean various mixes of the three systems. So, if the term isn't used consistently, why not focus on using it to mean what it actually means?

Also, you say decades, but back in the mid nineties, PC game CDs used to be labelled for IBM PC and then either MS DOS or Windows, they didn't just write "PC". Even in 2000, games would still be labelled "Windows" on the cover, though that is also around the time the "PC CD/DVD" labelling started - likely to compete with the aggressive labelling on PlayStation discs. At that time, it did mostly make sense as Windows was basically the only PC OS with widely released commercial games, but that is no longer the case and to keep writing "PC" to mean Windows is now only confusing for the consumer.

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Excellent! I was hoping this would come to Linux when it was originally announced.

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Quoting: adolson[...( me correcting the usage of "PC" )...]
Really? You want to be that guy?

Yes. When we're dealing with publishers promising games coming to "PC" or "PC platforms" and they sometimes mean Windows-only, sometimes mean Windows+Mac and sometimes mean Windows+SteamOS/Linux then we need to help move away from using this ambiguous term, that really only means IBM-compatible/PC hardware. Maybe we can't fix the language publishers use right now, but we should at least strive to not help propagate the misnomer.

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