It's sad, but that basically means you'll never play all these new AAA games coming to Linux. Can you honestly do that?

It's not like we are talking about some important life opportunities lost, or serious moral dilemmas here. It's entertainment, you know. One can easily filter out DRMed dishes from the menu. And it's the matter of principles and priorities. I simply don't care about games with DRM. Whether they are AAA or not is irrelevant.

I also don't really understand why big budget games are supposed to be more afflicted by DRM than small budget ones, unless by AAA you mean funded by legacy publishers, vs. indie funded by independent developers themselves. Legacy publishes have indeed something wrong with their heads (as most of the legacy entertainment industry), that why they use DRM. Developers usually are more sensible people. Luckily, more and more big budget games funded independently emerge, and legacy publishers are losing relevance with emergence of crowdfunding. Self funded studios like CD Projekt Red produce high quality big budget games DRM free. Are those AAA? Budget wise may be, but they are independent and don't have DRM sickness. I hope they'll get to paying attention to Linux at some point with their Cyberpunk 2077 and Witcher 3.

Here actually Valve does a positive thing. They are trying to change the perception of reluctant developers who say "Linux has no market". That's probably the best thing which comes out of Valve's Linux efforts.

Quoting: Quote from n30p1r4t3It's sad, but that basically means you'll never play all these new AAA games coming to Linux. Can you honestly do that?

I look at you with sadness for all that you have missed in your life, as it does seem like a smaller world than what I have been able to experience. The fact that you look at me the same amuses me.

I enjoy my gaming, and do not feel any great loss from my desire to keep it DRM free. But even if I did, it would be paltry compared to so many of the other things that I have been forced to deny myself, by choice or by fate.

At least with gaming, like so much else in my life, I can take pleasure in taking the road less travelled.

Quoting: Quote from ShmerlHere actually Valve does a positive thing. They are trying to change the perception of reluctant developers who say "Linux has no market". That's probably the best thing which comes out of Valve's Linux efforts.

It should be remembered that when I criticize Valve I criticize them for their faults, not for their strengths. Here is a strength, and I do appreciate it, but just because some good does come out of Steam does not nullify the negative aspects. Mitigate it possibly, but not nullify it, which is why we are still here pointing out these faults, because as long as they exist they do need to be recognized.

Quoting: Quote from Hamish

Quoting: Quote from n30p1r4t3It's sad, but that basically means you'll never play all these new AAA games coming to Linux. Can you honestly do that?

I look at you with sadness for all that you have missed in your life, as it does seem like a smaller world than what I have been able to experience. The fact that you look at me the same amuses me.

I'm not missing anything in my life? If you want to miss out on games that's one thing, but how am I missing anything from life? Because I choose to appease the powers that be and play DRM'ed games my life is somehow lesser? 
I'm eighteen years old. I'm ignorant as fuck, I know this. There's a lot of things I haven't learned yet. But I don't like my life is defined by my decisions regarding gaming. If there's a game that looks fun and has DRM, so be it. Please explain if I interpreted this incorrectly. 

It is not your choices that make me think so - it is the fact that you were shocked to find that others did not make the same ones that you did, or that it was even an option.

Quoting: Quote from HamishIt is not your choices that make me think so - it is the fact that you were shocked to find that others did not make the same ones that you did, or that it was even an option.

I just couldn't do it. I'm not surprised other people don't feel the same, but to me that option seems difficult in today's world.

But then I live in a different world than you do. That is what I feel you have missed, the ability to see such things.

At any rate, this is getting rather cryptic and a tad off topic.

Yeah. It's fine we disagree. I play the new Metro, and you do not. The world will not end. Have a goodnight Hamish.

Same to you.

Quoting: Quote from ShmerlYou might accept it, but those who don't use Steam can't accept such lock-in and lack of choice. I'd say amongst the Linux crowd, there are in general more of those who care to avoid DRM and therefore don't use Steam either. The situation is indeed similar to requiring Windows to play and saying "so what, everyone should have Windows". If we want truly Linux gaming, we don't need Steam-only attached to it. One of the issues with Steam is that it's huge. So it has disproportionate influence, not unlike Windows vs other OSes as well. When that influence causes good things (pushing Linux as platform for gaming) - good, but when it cases bad things, they are amplified as well (DRM, lock-in etc.). That's why more competition amongst distributors is very needed, and GOG is probably the only strong contender at present, since it's second biggest after Steam.

But those that don't use Steam have less choice, so you are accepting a lack of choice. I have the same choices as you, plus Steam.

And it's not the same as needing Windows to play. Windows is an OS, Steam is not. Your and my distro will continue regardless of Steam. I do accept your point about Steam having disproportionate influence though but I will qualify that by, as I said previously, saying many games on Steam are DRM free (I can run them without Steam), so it is not being enforced by Steam but by the game devs. Maybe you should crusade against them instead.

At the end of the day nobody likes DRM but some of us really have no problem with Steam. You do, so be it. Happy gaming :)